Any Flat Earth supporters or believers here?

I am not a moderator. I just saw this post and voiced my opinion, i am not going around this forum doing a lot of that. Firstly, there is a clear difference between douchebag and faggot, and secondly i was browsing another topic on here and i saw more posts from you. I am not trying to single you out, that is not my job, I just happened to browse the forums a lot these days and happened upon your posts and could not help but notice your choice of vocabulary. It is not my intent to drag this out, if you feel i did you wrong just ignore my post and move on.

Ya well since you made it clear from your end, I am at peace again :slight_smile: So we are friends again!

It didn’t, cause I never gave it a go. I never printed-out a seance board, although I genuinely intend to in the near future to aquire first-hand experience and knowledge of it. On this occassion I was just curious, due to your religious beliefs, as to how you would respond. You advised me, you asked me how it went, but when I got back to you with my reply, said nothing, like you didn’t care I could be possessed - WTF bro? :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN9yVz29rwM

I care a lot when stuff like this goes on, but I knew you were kidding becos you would not be taking the trouble to copy paste verbatim of a dialogue during possession (demons ain’t got a degree in computer science…) cos u would not be on this forum at all and your brains would be screwed out. I am so so glad you did not proceed with it. It’s not worth it at this stage at all. Better to do some readings or research and learn as much before you dive in. So I was waiting for you log back in and tell your real experience :slight_smile: But for real if it piques your interest read those books I mentioned earlier and do watch ‘Possession of Michael King’ for its creepy realistic portrayal of a curious persons demonic possession and his eventual death. You can trust me on this one, when the voices start talking to you, it will be unbelievable but it will slowly sink into you that it’s ain’t your neighbours or your phone, but some invisible entity standing or hovering right beside you talking to you. And then with exhaustion and dehydration becos you won’t get any sleep for sure, it will take it tolls on your health making things worse.

About me, ya I am 100% authentic bro. Serial killer I ain’t, my mom and pops would not let me stay in the house if they knew I was one. I care for my soul a little too much, not my safety and security but the integrity…

Father Gabriel Amorth and his books are very good.

‘Pigs at the parlor’ by Hammond is another awesome book to mitigate demonic activity.

‘People of the Lie’ and ‘Glimpses of the Devil’ by Scott Peck a Harvard Pyschologist is a mind gripping tome on his experiences with seriously creepy patients and his face to face encounter with pure evil. Note how these entities try to argue and their spaghetti lines of logic, all designed to tie their target in a knot.

I got a whole boat load of Christian and Demonology stuff, papers, novels, movies , manuals, anthologies etc…it’s a fascinating subject but tread with care, and start and end with a prayer. You could also start with Ed and Lorraine Warren’s legacy of a more open minded and scientific approach as a well documented and respected pair of paranormal researchers. They go out debunking stuff and end up with more authentic stuff than one can handle. Their cursed objects museum is world class.

I didn’t copy/paste my reply, I penned it myself, but are you saying the same has already been written in some script or dialogue?
If so, I’m very curious what it is, cause I honestly penned that myself :slight_smile:

Yeah, but have you got any sisters, though? :badteeth:
Just kidding bro, you’re far too easy to wind up, and I couldn’t resist joining-in the current attack you’re experiencing due to your easy-going nature. I guess keeping your cool after posting the video I just did is proof enough that you’re deeply religious, so much so, that there’s no way of bringing you to your senses no matter how hard I try. I don’t mean that in a derogatory sense, I just mean I’ve given-up any hope of converting you to reality. You’re still my fave’ bro on here though, no doubt about that, you stubborn, crazy fuck :smiley:

http://imgur.com/XT0sS4s

You posted twice already…

Ya you my fav too mate:)

Aaand no sisters… makes life easy or boring depends…incest ain’t my thing…

What does a compass point towards if earth was flat? It doesn’t even make the tiniest bit of sense.

lol what sad fun you are unraveling - yes I think witch boards are more effective that meditation or drugs if you wish to become crazy as a coconut. but anyway things won’t make you insane, just are able to trigger a mode nature installed into humans to answer unanswerable questions for others, keeping communities together. I wish not discuss it be real entities or some kick ass simulation of things so we can understand, and I even more refuse to discuss its origins. subconsciousness goes unfettered flying through the stars in that mode…and it can go either dark or light…well…if you choose that mode of thinking you will have to leave the world you’re used to behind you, I mean, everything you know and love. for the warlock/hermit/saint type of mind being unable to sleep and eat properly, or becoming unable to integrate among other humans, is a normal thing. those who make through the trip will then be able to have peace again and will shed the results of their struggle. nowadays, if stuff goes wrong, it will drive people not into cleansing by some priest but rather into psych wards where they are drugged up so they can do no harm to themselves or others until they recover or try to manage all the stars flying by. yeah go to a psych ward for looking at people unable to handle it, or suffering some very strong version of the trip…you need to be very strong to even try, and I think not every human has potential enough to manage it at all. and some seem to be immune, or incapable of entering the spiritual mode at all, so don’t be disappointed if your hands won’t move by themselves. I would assume though, that the witchboard is not the best way to enter the mode, due to the negative things associated with the philosphies behind that technique, but even more so due to the fact that you let go and give your subconscious control over your body (your hands) right away, I would think that is a bad idea if you wish to prevail, and not drown in that trip. I would suggest letting go to the subconscious with methods that won’t be able to manipulate your vital functions or acting in the world, you still will be unable to escape information flow until you get crazy, but you at least won’t risk harming yourself or others straight away… Just wanted to bring in some reason to all this, as the techiques sometimes will work™ and it is suggested and described here how to enter one version of trip that is particularly grim. Well if you try hard enough, you might be able to switch the trip from fierce demons to aliens from zeta 3 or fairies from a wizzards realm, will still smite you, but in a more colorful way then.

@em eh once I did meditation on methods described in certain modern, laicistic books, no spiritual thing. you know like the stuff suggested for achievers to get stronger, though I’d advise you to stay away from scientology, those just want your money and then yourself as searvant, and I think they only teach simple (but effective) techniques, probably because that won’t make you strong enough to overcome the masters among them, also they have a crazy cosmology going on that they will try to blind you with if you follow. I also made mistake to try own techniques one when I found my focus having become stronger, well, life happens and I’m still well of some kind. I also want to add, the type of meditation I’m talking about, similar to zen techniques, resolves around training the mental focus/attention and modes of it like you would excercise muscles. It will blow up your inner focus and perception, depending which moves you make with your attention again and again. you will become able to reflect your inner working, thoughts, feelings, you consciousness in a very lucid way depending on success of the excercise, this might sound interesting, but in fact can also be very painful as you are exposed to…at least yourself, without being able to ignore yourself or lie to yoursef, this can also destroy a man that is weak or who has been very dishonest to himself. If you are psychotic/“medium”, it is advised by psychatrists not to try meditation, as it can unlock loss of control in such persons. I think, if you train your attention well enough before trying shit like the witchboard thing, you might have a better start handling the effects in case some should kick in, yeah I mean try before being exposed to the illusion, you will still bleed like mad but probably will be able to swim a little trying to keep your will uninfluenced to some degree. good luck.

And of course the compass always points to the center of the world in the middle of the disc, as invisible rays of speculation pull on the polarized metal particles in the tip of the needle from there, if you find the blob of substance causing it in the center of the world, it will grant you the great power to transform the flat shape of the earth into a spherical one, unleasing a paradoxon of the surface of the earth wrapping around itself infinitely, also unlocking dimensions above, I mean now you’re no longer on a disc but inside an infinite universe, with all the stars flying around and around, come and see, all the stars, shining bright for you baby, flying around, come and see, how much the sky is shining bright for you baby, all the stars for you, baby, my heart feels the sky, flying around and around…yeah…all the stars, all the sky…

@renoised

Austin Osman Spare is great, a crazy mix between sigmund freud psychology, occultism and nondualsim as advaita

the death posture, a mix of different techniques, he write about it in: the book of pleasures is a good example of how difficult it is for ratio characterized people from our cultural circle to trance (we are mainly products of our environment and ancestors)

https://hermetic.com/spare/pleasure

Nowadays science has gained it own takes on the topic.

Here read in case the witchboard games eventually go wrong for you, there may be hope for you, way better than the medicine at the hospital:

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43003378

A form of computer aided meditation without having to focus the inside, able to influence the fucking grimey voices that won’t let you sleep all night and day. Might make room for more stars flying around and around…

Also I do not think many people have difficulty to enter trance state. Sure mainstream aka the working ants of the hive don’t do it anymore, but it is more of a cultural thing I think. Visions have been replaced by entertainment industry. But look at the electronic music scene, techno scene, rave scene - all the fckn xtc pills sold there are means to intensify trance states gained on regular basis. Its just that science has become a less chaotic explanation for unknown things and thus is preferred to be more reliable than snorting vine powders. So yep, many ravers are probably a bit uncertain about the sensations of spirits dancing through them or showing them ideas while hi, and it makes me curious why so little ravers (though many do) that were in trance dance report such experiences, well, some do…maybe it is just the colors on the rave and all the people are more impressive than looking inwards in that state, which would be prerequisite to hallucinate in a spiritual mode.

Anybody on Quora btw, similar format to this thread, some questions and answers are very controversial, difference being yet no one bickers about anything peppered with red chillies…and you get to learn lots of stuff from people with real experience and lots of personal stories too. It’s actually quite big in India :slight_smile:

@Renoised: I was not referring to any book regarding your post yesterday which you did twice, I was talking about the fact with sarcasm that a demon would not have computer skills to copy paste stuff to your screen on this forum hence I was chilled about it.

‘Glimpses of the devil’ and ‘People of the Lie’ are outstanding books by an original skeptic. It’s not about reading someone’s opinion on a book but about trying to see what they might have to share too and then you clean what you can and filter what you think is irrelevant. Start with those books becos they will give a very good insight about this whole thing. It’s legit too hence. Eric Fromm is anothet person who has written some provoking stuff about evil. Research about him and his works.

@OopsFly, some relevant stuff you talking about and very true about the club scene. Infact even here in India, the club’s are all about F&B, it’s about selling alcohol and snacks to sell more alcohol and make money by playing loud music in a closed room and dim lights. When the regular wine shops close, these venues are the places where stuff sells all over again. It’s all business end of the day. Drugs are very illegal out here and since drugs are kinda findable over there its big business too. Same thing with SE Asia, these business things are spiking something young folks can actually have a nice time with.

@OopsIFly

how deep is your trance?

I meant with trance a full-trance, obsession or blackout, sry had not write that clearly
physical symptoms with twitching eyes and limbs had seen something like that only once person in a club

for comparison, what I saw in asia is that nothing
In Indosia I had the impression that people can control it even partially
mask dance with and without obsession depending on the holiday

a slight trance or psychologically flow also happens here and is something nice (dancing, monoton works, creatively, drugs too)
my impression, also meditate is more time a trance state as observe although this is not desirable

@Vic: Thinking out loud. Funnily enough Vic I’ve been on this forum (very occasionally) for the past 6-7 years. Now you come to mention it AFAIK I don’t really think there is a small ‘inner sanctum’ of elite individuals that are here to outwit you and put you down etc… My take on Joule for example…From my point of view Joule has made reasonable comments, tends to be direct concise and straightforward with a point (whether you accept the point or not. I wouldn’t argue, and even if we did I’m sure we would accept each others take on a matter.) If me and Joule were given the same task say in Renoise lua, I’m sure 1) Joules would be very ordered and lua OOP in nature and let’s be honest be a lot better than mine and 2) Mine would be just a function/procedure stupid hack up (and the chances are wouldn’t look as good.) But I don’t attack the man, I think the last time I said something to Joule was that he wouldn’t be programming Clojure in a hurry (especially on his new keyboard ;)) (Come to think of it, Clojure…oh well that’s something else…)

If I asked you something about the Windows Portable Executable file format header information I’m sure 1) you could answer me and 2) it would be tricky to present that answer without looking as though you are putting me down in some fashion. But I know that you are (hopefully) giving me a straight answer to my question, there really isn’t any other way of doing it. If I reply questioning your answer, you’ve got to either accept the question and put me straight what you believe is the right way of looking at it, or you accept that I might have a point or we part ways believing each others take on it. That’s the only way we can do it in an orderly way.

tl;dr I don’t mind Vic if you believe in flat earth theory, demons, or if you are a gifted genius. I don’t see myself as someone on a world stage elitist level believe me :slight_smile:

@random I don’t trance, I think it is dangerous for the health, I fear loss of control too much (because of…experiences) for it to have good preconditions for a fruitful flight to begin with, and have heard the state is either very far out or leaves nothing desireable in its bearer and often even no memory of what happend. I don’t want to risk opening up a can like this, as I know with the mind it is like, once a can has been opened it is ready all the time, only the first time opening takes effort and learning how to do it again and again, and after the first time until it is mastered cans might pop up spontaneously even when you are not ready at that moment…

I like watching my thoughts or myself dancing now and then though, but it is very sober, controlled state I can switch on and off at any time, and I can control myself while I am watching (might sound paradox, but it took me little time to get used to it). I learnt this in meditation. Also since I am never bored (if I’m idle the flow starts for me to grow upon myself innerly, and if I don’t follow it, time just passes without me worrying about it), and I can wait virtually any amount of time. It also has its serious downsides though, especially for me hehe. I don’t practise any more because I think it is enough for me and I need to sort other things in my life first before chopping away so much time, but I remember deeper states as similar to psylo mushrooms, you’re just perfectly sober while it happens and able to think logical.

I also think lucid dreaming is an interesting idea if one really wishes to risk messing with the unconscious, also very controlled but the quality of bein in another world. aside from some spontaneous experiences I haven’t managed to consciously reach the state. states before though, by meditating in sleeping position and letting part of the mind go, dropping it “to sleep” while trying to maintain focus on self and thoughts, were very interesting…like when hypnagogies appeared, after a while of staying awake and watching them thoughts were slowly transforming into dream like sequences, still having the same qualities as rational thinking, but in form being a stream of dreamlike 3rd person cutscenes that somehow represented the train of thought. It is supposed that you can reach a lucid dream if you are persistent enough, but I always fell asleep into normal dreams or woke up before that happened.

Deep trance I’ve only ever seen associated with ethnic/spiritual happenings. My understanding is though, that there are similarities between the modes and visions, but the culture also massively seems to influence what happens - see christian trance happenings who think they experience the holy ghost, vs. the things voodoo people describe, after a state that is reached with different methods but in effect looks very similar. It seems to be a very rough, intense and wild thing. It might be tempting to wish to know what happens in the visions, but I believe you generally fuck yourself royally with any of such techniques applied, the information gained it very cryptic and seems often to have rather achaic qualities, and also I believe similar informations can be gained in more controlled fashion…just the performance is not as intense and it is harder and takes more dedication and lots of practising time to reach similar depths in the quality of the information.

Edit: yes @Renoised you’re not interested in hallucinations, but want to talk to the gods, or what is your pursuit? I mean, it would be logical, that if you really wished to do that, you would have to become master of the whole world, first. To whom else would gods way above the human level talk with even the faintest glimpse of sincerity, even that probably still spoiled by the options of having a mind x dimensions larger than you. And…to find out, if there is something above us humans is a strenous task. I’m a stoned loser, so I decided not to even try in this life. So I practiced waiting, watching rainbows that pop up when you do. Someone needs to pay the bills, so I decided to try to strive for becoming a music producer. Well what else does one loser have, as following dreams and such? Society keeps many people from blooming up or even get any chance, that is right, but I am not sure which ideas you would like to point ot with that point? I’m happy with music, in the mean time. Music is a nice dream, it is refreshing and nourishes the heart to pursue making some. Wondering if the fucking buddhists might be right, and I’d have further chances to try to learn what all this stuff is about. At least they seem good in…finding out how to try to wait until that happens. There comes nice music, with the waiting.

Haha, @renoised, “paranormal” well, then talk is about reasons for experiences, and then I’m off unless the discussion of proof is unlike any I have seen before. But you can experience, if you wish, there are lots of techniques known to bring up…experiences. To tell if the experience was paranormal or not is then a discussion about possible reasons. Or you wish to look for reasons, and then maybe try to find techniques that could bring up matching experiences? Humans have ever been very busy on that topic! Still then - demons from a hyperdimension could maybe have the same effects as aliens from another planet able to manipulate earth and the minds of beings on it via technical device, and you never know if they are each not bastards enough to try to let you believe the other, or just dreams from the back of the backpack nature put into the brain.

@Vic: Thinking out loud. Funnily enough Vic I’ve been on this forum (very occasionally) for the past 6-7 years. Now you come to mention it AFAIK I don’t really think there is a small ‘inner sanctum’ of elite individuals that are here to outwit you and put you down etc… My take on Joule for example…From my point of view Joule has made reasonable comments, tends to be direct concise and straightforward with a point (whether you accept the point or not. I wouldn’t argue, and even if we did I’m sure we would accept each others take on a matter.) If me and Joule were given the same task say in Renoise lua, I’m sure 1) Joules would be very ordered and lua OOP in nature and let’s be honest be a lot better than mine and 2) Mine would be just a function/procedure stupid hack up (and the chances are wouldn’t look as good.) But I don’t attack the man, I think the last time I said something to Joule was that he wouldn’t be programming Clojure in a hurry (especially on his new keyboard ;)) (Come to think of it, Clojure…oh well that’s something else…)

If I asked you something about the Windows Portable Executable file format header information I’m sure 1) you could answer me and 2) it would be tricky to present that answer without looking as though you are putting me down in some fashion. But I know that you are (hopefully) giving me a straight answer to my question, there really isn’t any other way of doing it. If I reply questioning your answer, you’ve got to either accept the question and put me straight what you believe is the right way of looking at it, or you accept that I might have a point or we part ways believing each others take on it. That’s the only way we can do it in an orderly way.

tl;dr I don’t mind Vic if you believe in flat earth theory, demons, or if you are a gifted genius. I don’t see myself as someone on a world stage elitist level believe me :slight_smile:

I feel you. Conjecture my dear friend , it’s like looking at possible scenarios that is all, I ain’t no conspiracy theorist but what I said applies to anywhere in real life too, from a regular college to even in outer space if you are living with a group of 9 astronauts chances are some will side each other, form internal alliances, seniority juniority politics etc it’s all part of the package bro, where there is people there is politics, simple. But that is the good part btw, I would prefer people anyday of the week. I am not the emotional type but I think very fast and make decisions that I don’t turn back from, I reflect, never regret as such; things can always be done in another way obviously hence there is where I get to exercise my free will and post analysis as and when required, much like a debriefing session with myself. I don’t take things personal either, you know why? Cos we don’t take extra load at all, so my type ain’t getting burdened anytime soon. We live life hard and fast cos we travelling light and we know how to shake or shave extra weight off.

I totally appreciate your honesty and frankness bro, so no worries on my part. I love you too.

@Renoised: Look man, it’s like this to me, you don’t wanna read someone else’s travel journal cos it could be his point of view and you want yours only, ok. So then why back off last min from the seance cos that is as real as it gets. To me it looks like you don’t want to read a parachuter’s diary cos its too personal but you don’t want to jump with a parachute from a plane either. So then my dear pal, can you please enlighten us as to what exactly is your intent? Cos it really beats me what you are looking for really…in terms of published knowledge there are loads of stuff out there, methods, cults, experts you name it. Either way you can simply pop a drug and start with hallucinations and see where they go, you can do N number of things really just as @Oopsfly said. But YOU have to decide what you do and where you go. So my question is are you ready to go either way? Cos you would be only wandering without a map, not exploring, and you would not be really travelling but groping in the dark, even literally without gaining from someone else’s precedence. I suppose with your attitude you would want to climb Everest one day all on your own, without doing one iota of research on what to buy or how to prepare and just experience all on your own…beats me bro but even we read user manuals once in a while when it’s really worth it, just so that you know what features you might miss if you did not read it. Complacency is not a healthy habit, though in this case the fact you did not proceed actually makes me very happy, so don’t jeopardize yourself needlessly.

…“how to go about a Paranormal experience, a real one, not a drug-induced trance”

Play the Ouija seance, what’s stopping you? Loads of folks have been touch with such entities way before modern books in English were written about it, from African Voodoo to Indian Black Magic to American Indian Shamans… Look if you are not a paranormal researcher, a ghost hunter, a demonologist, religious or not, the only thing you will end up being is a victim. It’s the same RAS thing going on with you, you don’t want to learn music theory but you want to make music beyond your skill level or that inside your head, either way, a plugin is just an extension not the solution. You do seem to have rather strange way of doing things in life. It’s always that you are chasing a mirage it seems…something better, more real ,more authentic that is custom made only for you, I am not sure but maybe it’s something you secretly feel that folks will admire your future achivement if it’s real enough or if you manage to achieve it…I support any form of growth btw…but this is actually ironically being evasive.

Say for songwriting, just pick up a guitar and bang out 3 chord songs…99 percent of pop songs are built on those. Same for demons do the things I told you and you will without a doubt bring them into your life, no drugs needed btw, that was just one stupid method which even I never bank on.

Also it seems you think others have not had a more real or authentic experience than what you ‘will’. Look man, this shit ain’t something that will get you a medal of honour from the French Legion, it’s mucky and dark stuff that is potentially lethal.

In fact the way you express your ideas itself seems to sound like a young boy who had a rather GI Joe fuelled idea of what ‘real war’ is like, you know cool vehicles and nice smooth plastic missiles and cool apparel for the military, and when someone tells you that you could you know just join the military, get some training, become a seal etc you gonna say, but that is not what real stuff is like, ‘I wanna see it for myself, army is too cheeky for me, I like real stuff, not taking orders from some platoon buffoon…’ .

Yea right, and that is obviously how you gonna be an army dude eh! Man you loveable but you are an escapist or a dreamer or just plain stoned when you type becos this is not how the real world works.

Between me and Oopslfly, the methods we have written have been time tested by both religious and non religious folks round the globe to get their version of a horrific experience. It’s like a bullet wound or ebola, those things don’t ask for your ID card or religious belief systems, they hurt ALL humans…your stance ain’t special to them, only to you. And how will you know and confirm this, only if you research on your own. That part I can agree…

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Like I said, forget I asked, I’ll research and give it a bash when I’m ready :slight_smile:

Anyway, I sense a certain post of mine rattled your cage about “God”, but this is understandable I suppose. INSERT DEVILISH LAUGHTER HERE

Nah man, it’s like brotherly concern for you, not any cage getting rattled here. For instance in India priests out of a church used to get burned inside a car by a mob (Gujarat), or a Muslim mosque broken brick by brick by Hindu fundamentalists(Ayodhya), you know it’s a hypocritical country I am stationed at and many don’t practice what they preach. Those who do are short circuited in the name of majority politics and mob behaviour coercion, and that is the kind of dark ages mentality society I live in. So all this over here is really just friendly chit chat for me bruh…

Regarding someone being educated, well I am all about it! Would you seriously listen to some half arsed story by a village idiot or a pedagogical transcript of an educated scholar? Things like sequencing of events, accuracy, sentence construction all play a part. Also not reading Malachi Martin’s writing is missing his unique mastery of English so it’s like missing out on an outstanding novel cos you thought it was real! While educate people can manipulate facts and figures, the uneducated bum will mess up everything else from the word go making discerning what is what a herculean task. Superstition is widely practiced in uneducated circles and hence my siding with educated folk. An educated idiot is far easier to spot loopholes in his story than an uneducated idiot ehoight be sincere but very unintelligible.The bulk of English and French and German literature were written by very intelligent and educated writers,(hulks), many of them Nobel Prize winners, so I would prefer their writings over a wall scribble any day.

Ouija has a mysterious beginning in Occult and while Hasbro brought the copyrights to market and sell the game it no way invented it. It comes from possibly Gypsy boards from their nomadic collective based on their tradition of the black arts. Some idiot figured this would be good entertainment and possibly he made the decision knowing its occult roots and true danger. Think of this, lots of souvenirs and dolls get passed on a cursed items round the world. The fact that this medium itself can be used as a portal to harm the player while retaining its neutrality is a masterstroke in hiding in plain sight. Talking to the dead as a toy? No wonder so many children complain about Boogeyman hiding in the closet, and they might be very right actually, and while they are getting abused every night, neither they or their parents give a shit becos they would never guess it started with that ‘toy’. This is where getting your information sources right is so important. Don’t bring these things to your house.

You could however play some online Ouija boards and while their pre scripted response texts based on a pattern or random generator or well chosen lines based on keywords look less convincing , the implementation is of no concern and demons might just as well freely enter your world becos you violated this inter deomensional rule not to open portals by playing this game…you could try it, same results.Stay Away!

Just like music theory you need to start applying yourself and reaping the benefits first hand instead of surviving off the leftovers of some plugin or tool or board.

“Like I said, forget I asked, I’ll research and give it a bash when I’m ready :)”

That is very good and I fully support this kind of personal research, no rush and take your time. It’s good that you are scared of the board. Fear is a survival instinct and this time it’s totally acceptable. The other thing about personal research is that the best do it themselves anyways and that learning period will open doors to other facets of knowledge about your existence and some paths are more trradynthan others, it’s like surfing the universal internet, you got dark web, porn sites and pirated software all along the way, what you persist in will eventually lead you somewhere wholesome or somewhere detestable. I really really suggest you at least give a shit to Josephine McCarthys book ’ The Exorcist’s Handbook’ (not handjob mindyou,cos that would raise other concerns…).If it does not remarkably put your thinking mode in a major tectonic shift, then please let me know and you can throw your book copy to the dustbin…I just happened to be truly fascinated by what she had to share…I communicated with her over email sometime back and she is as level headed and intellectual a person as one can get.

About Earth being spherical, as your QY700 would say, this is becos humans perceive depth as an extra dimension and to us it looks 3D but we cannot be objectively sure that we are indeed on a sperical body that moves with such and such speedz it’s like the colour white, it only exists in our minds. We could be a subset of a far greater number dimension or even an extrapolation or a convolution of a higher order tesseract as some new theorists are talking about.

Quantum gravity research and a very well put together video even if comes down to the entire theory being a false lead like string theory.

@Renoised

i have the impression to make it easy for you
surely religion is corrupt and mystic are fairy tales
but please keep in mind that the human mind has always needed explanations for things that he can not explain, away from right and wrong
therefore, even today people become believers or superstitious when something happens in life and it is not advisable to talk about it in real life so as not to be a dork or a nutcase

“secret knowledge” is only a mouse click nowadays
try it for a while. (i do not like it but recommend shamanic trance techniques because without long practice bounce at least something colorful pictures out)
then you can find out if it is ghost, demons, energy, hallucination, your unconscious mind, god or another inadequate explanatory model of the reality of what nobody knows what that is