Automation Across Patterns

Hi

I looked in the manual and found no answer (however found a great deal of other extremely useful tricks), so here goes:

When hand-editing automation with the mouse one has to match the entry value of the current pattern to the exit value of the previous pattern to avoid jumps in the automation. Is there some easy way to achieve this without having to insert a copy of the exit value of the previous pattern at the beginning of the current pattern?

if you double-click the name of the parameter to automate in the searchlist on the left of the automation pane, a straight line will be automatically created, and it will be set at the latest available value (i.e.: normally the previous pattern’s value)

Ok, thanks, that sounds like a solution, will try it out tomorrow.

but still… it’s impossible to interpolate values across patterns, right?
you’ll have to draw automation lines separately

yes, this is currently not possible

That’d be kinda cool if you could.

The possibilty to easily add automation envelopes across multiple patterns/bigger parts of the song would indeed be a great improvement.

Every big DAW that I know supports that.

I knew the trick with mouse click in the following pattern,
but it’s still a PITA to edit a continuous curve across many patterns.

I think the best thing was an automation zooming feature for a whole track.
Just don’t limit the last automation position to e.g. 64. If the cursor is set to a position
above 64 jump automaticalyl to the next pattern

Example:

Pattern data:

P1 P2 P3
|1…64|1…64|1…32|

Automation lane:
|1…|…|…160| or alternatively: |1…64|1…64|1…32| but visible as a whole unit

E.g. Add a saw ramp:

|__…|…–|----’’’|

  • = points which are added automatically

What do you guys think ?

maybe 2 knobs in the automation device that says:

"Automation for pattern to "

so you can draw automation from pattern 4 to 16 for example.
and if you just want the automation for one pattern (for example 14)
press “Automation for pattern 14 to 14”

Should this be moved to the “ideas and suggestions” topic?

In a way it seems to boil down to trackers way of putting everything into patterns. In a “regular” sequencer you could create a pattern that spanned the whole song and have your automation sit there. Or have one pattern span a certain section and copy (or “ghost copy”, so editing one propagates to the others) it to other places in the song where that sections occurs.

Actually, the hardest thing for me in renoise is to express musical ideas that don’t fit into one pattern, like a pickup or a line moving across a large part of the tune. Normally I’d create a pattern for the time the thing lasts, where ever in the structure that would be, and only work with (and see in the editor) that. In renoise I have to get used to thinking across pattern boundaries.

Don’t get me wrong, I love renoise, and I’m trying to wrap my head around it an go with the flow.