I was talking to a mate earlier and he mentioned a few simple things that weren`t obvious to do in Renoise.
The one that stood out was beatsyncing. For him, it was impossible to work out how to get a loop to beatsync… it does seem odd that you have to press T
He was ticking the box and it didn`t do anything
I was talking to a mate earlier and he mentioned a few simple things that weren`t obvious to do in Renoise.
The one that stood out was beatsyncing. For him, it was impossible to work out how to get a loop to beatsync… it does seem odd that you have to press T
He was ticking the box and it didn`t do anything
When the box is ticked you shouldn’t have to press T. By pressing T you only apply the beatsync to the transpose/finetune so you can turn off the beatsync and it’s still in sync.
When Beatsync is enabled, it will obviously re-pitch the sample to fit the given number of pattern lines.
The T button will take the necessary pitch adjustments and then apply them directly to the sample’s transpose and finetune properties, so that beatsync may then be disabled, and the loop will still play tempo-synced at its base note (assuming the song tempo remains constant).
Edit: Beaten to the punch by TheBellows 
I know how it works!!! But for someone new to it, it`s perhaps not intuitive as it could be
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Awroit, keep yer shirt on, mate! 
I will agree that if you’re just looking at the beatsync property in Renoise itself as a relatively new user, then it may not be super obvious. In my experience, the thing that tends to trip up most people is the fact that it’s syncing to a number of pattern lines, and not actually a number of beats as the name implies. The tool tips could be a bit more helpful in that regard. Given the already cramped nature of the sample properties, it might be tricky to squeeze anything more meaningful in there.
Other than that, the behaviour is explained pretty clearly in the user manual, which is obviously what people should refer to first if they don’t understand how something works.
When it comes to explaining functionality like this, it’s sometimes difficult to fully imagine everything from a new user’s point of view, so if you’ve got any suggestions to make the feature a bit clearer, then please do share them.
Right okay, shirts going back on…
I dont want to open the proverbial can of worms for you guys, but I think its useful to know whats tripping people up…and making them give up on Renoise. Lots of people understand the potential it has but then are lost doing something simple.
No one reads manuals, what are you talking about?!
I think it`s useful to know whats tripping people up
For sure. I’m in full agreement with you. If many people are struggling with a particular aspect of the application, then we obviously want to know about that, and hopefully improve it somehow.
So if the Beatsync feature is confusing to noobs right now, then how do we move forward and make it less confusing? How can we make it more intuitive? Got any thoughts or ideas to share?
For what it’s worth, I do also hear what you’re saying about user manuals in general, but for a complex bit of kit like Renoise (or any mature DAW/host) with a million different moving parts, I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect people to at least read some of the manual.
No one reads manuals
This is true. Manuals seems to be a bit overrated here, i think many people do not care if it’s in the manual, they want to figure it out on their own and if they don’t they probably try something else.
But over to the beatsync function, maybe a tooltip that explains it would help? Maybe another name? ‘Virtual synced resampling’ or something maybe?
Manuals: you will learn things you didn’t know, but probably not find the piece of information you were looking for :lol:
‘Virtual synced resampling’
How about linesync?
Manuals: you will learn things you didn’t know, but probably not find the piece of information you were looking for :lol:
How about linesync?
Virtual Linesync perhaps? Virtual to indicate that the sync does not alter anything in the instrument itself like the T button. It seemed to me like the problem was that ‘nothing’ happened when ticking the beatsync, so by saying it’s a virtual effect then maybe one wouldn’t expect the change to be seen in the sampler?
I think the way to functions now is good, but it needs to be better visually represented.
Having said that if there was an option to lock the bpm of the loop to the track, that would be an interesting option. Maybe an image of a magnet?
Don`t get caught up on the manuals thing…they are extremely useful, especially for software like Renoise. I always really liked that one page that showed all the sample property hex codes, everyone should have one!
The lines per beat syncing is a little confusing, I wonder if it could be synced to a bar / 2 bars / 4 bars etc ? Or a choice between the two, with bars as default
The tool tips could be a bit more helpful in that regard
I have to admit,I never read the tooltip. And I’m happy I didn’t, because:
After reading that, I’m confused.
I think there has been a mixup - here is the tooltip for the “T” button
That one should list the detailed tuning information fromthe first screenshot.
Instead, this information is just missing…
So, I suggest that we come up with a proper explanation for the beatsync button,
and merge the existing tooltips into a single one for the T button
The manual is pretty damn awesome. You should advise your friend to get over his fear of reading.