I thought the power of renoise was in the patern editor. Will a Piano roll really add anything or is it just to make renoise more appealing to non tracker uses?
As you can see from the Beethoven piano roll clearly this perspective shows some information tracker view does not. There is something nice about seeing the up and down flow of pitch instead of seeing C-4 D-4 etc. In addition its nice to be able to see the duration of sounds especially if you can view multiple rolls next to each other.
Composing using the piano roll would probably only be handy for non tracker users, but simply viewing it could be a nice analytical tool for the rest of us too. That being said, this feature is really low on my wish list.
If a Piano roll is implemented: keep it vertical!
Well these are all great ideas, very exciting stuff…I hope they decide to make it a regular horizontal piano roll though, I’ve tried the vertical ones and really can’t use them very well.
how about a “note lenght visual” like the ones on sunvox and aodix?!
in this example, in sunvox, hold notes are represented by “////” when you apply a note off, you see the pattern background instead ( “…” )
but i really can live without, same for piano roll
Sorry mate, but that looks awful 
was just showing how the video would look as a piano roll. it would probably look better with just one track
Yes please devs.
I posted this earlier, but always modifying it.
This is a text editor version I’m using along side Renoise. I don’t notate note lengths because that’s an entire demon of its own. I have a separate text for that…
This one I have note frequencies read from top to bottom, notes from each string lined up with the keyboard from a standard tuned bass and guitar.
The most recent thing I’ve added is a guitar sequencer to coincide with the keyboard.
Next up on the to do list is to do add a chord progression chart.
One of the cool things I can do with this is cut and save certain note sequences, like a clip system.
[SB16Hz-60Hz]B60Hz-250Hz ]M250Hz-2khz ]Hm2kHZ - 6kHz
[============== ======================= =================================== ============]
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] 0 E A D G B E
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] 1 F a d g F
[2233333444455566677889911111111111122222223333344445556667788991111111111112222222333334] 2 f B E A c f
[7902468136815815937272701123345678902346791246914692582593838380112334567890234679135791].3 G C F a D G
[-----------------------30630865445670361731999250633472989300274074198666679148396322258] 4 g c f B d g
[51876782629902742474349----------------------------------------6844860810493799730620916].5 A D G E A
[36040905491073091800998054858586006009616162903018233224996037-------------------------] 6 a d g c F a
[583881349930056662779930471936110050843863339000685735569910375775590020750530080040310].7 B E A D f B
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] 8 C F a d G C
[1[G 2 45 7 9+ 2 4 67 9] ].9 c f B E g c
[2[D 23 5 7 9+ 2 45 7 9] ] + D G F A D
[3[A 23 5 78 + 2 45 7 9+] ] 1 d g c f a d
[4[E1 3 5 78 + 23 5 7 9+] ]=2 E A D G B E
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] 3 F a d g C F
[1[E1 3 5 78 + 23 5 7 9 +] ] 4 f B E A c f
[2[B1 3 56 8 + 23 5 78 +] ].5 G F a D G
[3[G 2 45 7 9+ 2 4 67 9] ] 6 g c f B d g
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-].7 A D G C E A
[4[D 23 5 7 9+ 2 45 7 9] ] 8 a d g c F a
[5[A 23 5 78 + 2 45 7 9+] ].9 B E A D f B
[6[E1 3 5 78 + 23 5 7 9+] ] = F a d G C
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] notes . left . right . technq
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] - _ _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ .
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] - _ _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ .
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] - _ _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ .
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] - _ _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ _ .
[_ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _- _ __ _ _ _-] -> total notes used per user division
Pianoroll should work the same way as automation panel is working now. I find tracker easy for editing non-human (perfectly in time, fully quanitized) melody lines, but I would like to have something to manage more than 12 notes harmonies. I’m contemporary classical and jazz composer and pianist, I use complex harmonies and I never play on the beat, always slightly after or before. This makes music flexible, a human-like. There is nothing better than pianoroll to handle this. There is no need for translating pianoroll events to tracker notation. I’d keep them separate, and use that one that suits best my actual needs. I could still use effects on the tracker view (for instance vibrato), and still have the classic, fully-feautured left-to-right pianoroll, just before automation lane. That would be quite logic and clean solution. Sorry for my english.
+1
Looks like we have a winner !
Wonderful idea, but should be horizontal IMHO. I know the piano roll probably lends itself more to live players to retain that human feel and make editing of this kind easier, but after writing in packages like Cubase and Renoise, there is no reason why these two ideas should be exclusive to each other. Both have their strengths and the combining of the two is a brilliant idea and gives us the best of both worlds.
A piano roll could be fun. But I’m not sure it’s what renoise needs right now. I may be wrong.
don’t you think that’s just a matter of “getting used to it” though? i mean, a piano keyboard is viewed/played horizontally after all. (:
I want piano roll so bad
I want spinach rolls, sausage rolls and (Chinese) vegetable spring rolls please.
^ i’d choose a spring roll over a piano roll any day, that’s for sure.