Even many narcotic substances can have positive effects on your body. Ketamine is for example used in medicine as anesthetics, sedatives and to treat some vascular disorders. Heroin (called Diamorphine in the medicine) are for example sometimes used to treat myocardial infarction and pulmonary oedema. Cocaine are medically used as anesthetics. Amphetamine are for example used to treat hyperactivity disorders and narcolepcy. If all those substances would have been only bad for you they would have never been used as medicine. The only thing that I want to say with this is that this isn’t as black and white as it is often depict as, drugs aren’t always the devil, even if it is never good to abuse them.
EDIT: In the same moment I posted this text above, looza did post a total rewrite of his original post That is why the quote and the answer maybe doesn’t make fully sense
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Ketamine is also used for humans, all those usages I mentioned above was usages for humans, not for animals.
Well, to be honest it sounds like your teacher wasn’t that good on medicine and probably had a more subjective and ideological view of it rather than a scientific view. most medicine has of course lighter or heavier side effects, but to say that all medicines and drugs f***ing with your body isn’t very scientific neither correct
“the dose makes the poison”. (some greek guy eons ago)
medical use of that stuff always utilizes far smaller doses as if used as drugs, not to mention the difference between industrialtype-manufactured stuff and the crap you can buy on the street. heroin sold on the street has about 10-15% of real heroin in it, the rest is god-knows-what, as mentioned above extacy is about the same story. There is actually a government-sponsored group called “drugscouts” here in germany which is going on raves/parties, buys extacy-pills and tests them in some lab, ever so often they find some pills which don’t even have any MDMA in it but some other crappy or even unknown substances. problem is, if you take a few of these pills (because you just don’t get high and so keep taking another and another one) you might simply die. thanx, but no.
PS:As far as I know heroin-derivates are given to people in late state of cancer when it doesn’t matter anyway and (meta)amphetamine is usually given to people who who had a terrible accident (with ripped off limbs and stuff) and are bleeding to death within minutes, so they can basically die without much pain (and without screaming at the top of their lungs, frightening everyone within 2 kilometres.)
No, of course I do not try to defend bad horse from the street or any kind of drug addiction, the only thing I would like to point out was that it is a bit misleading to categorically say that all drugs are the devil and bad for you in any kind of situation.
I’m from Sweden and my german is limited to just a few words so I’ll probably not understand much on that site
I know you are swedish, the “if you are interested” remark was meant more for the general public.
And I know what you were trying to say and I certainly agree with you in general terms, just being abit more “strict” there and I do think certain drugs are definately a bad idea to use.
I am also abit sensitive about this whole thing atm because of some things that happened in the past.
First of all, abit like johann, I got thunderstruck by a woman some months ago. I am really a very shy guy and usually don’t take up the courage to go and talk to a woman, but I saw her and somehow felt that I had to do it or to let something great pass, so I actually went to her, invited her to a date which was truly awesome, inspiring and promising and after that there was total silence from her. No returned call or SMS, nothing, as if we hadn’t met at all. A while later I learned (through some friend of some friend) that she is quite the drug-user and those two times I met her she was probably high on something (I couldn’t tell) and the silence after that was probably caused by her not having enough money for drugs or being freaked out/coming down or something, and I had a hard time deciding it simply would be the best to let her go because I hadn’t met the true person those two times and I don’t want a friend/relationship with someone who is bound that close to drugs.
Second, a friend of mine who (after smoking loads of weed everyday for years, finally freaking out completely and spending 18 months in a mental institution because of that) started smoking weed again and everyone who knows him is kinda watching him all the time feeling uneasy and looking for symptoms he could go down that road again.
And third of all my best friend was at a festival some weeks back and actually took extacy for the first time in his life (despite all my monologues about this in those years) and what freaked me out mostly was that he took some pill some guy give him on the dancefloor as a gift (which could have been anything). He just swallowed it, can’t really describe what happened except that he felt very bad the morning after and I was just shocked and got very, very worried when he told me this a few days after.
I hope that explains abit about me being this uptight about the whole thing.
Drugs are like computers , the problem is usually between the user and the keyboard.
Alcohol is just as wretched and life ruining as any other drug, but agricultural society as we know it was probably organized around alcohol production and festivities.
Cocaine is a drug I won’t do because my research on it doesn’t lead me to believe I’d enjoy it, sort of like anal sex. I can safely say that I will go through life without having anal sex, but that doesn’t mean I should forbid others from trying, or that others aren’t enjoying it. If you’re an idiot and the experience sucks because you are weak willed and are easily peer-pressured, that’s on you, not the drugs.
All is that do not care about what the other people say. Follow your gut and that is right. No one who uses is lesser of a being than someone who does not and I think it is totally up to what you really feel about you should do.
And I think we do have the strength to change the world. I’ve seen miraculous things happen and I think that what all of us must understand is that the real help these people need does not come from the so called professionals. It comes from the people around them. They do not get good meals served by professionals… The professionals do not hug them. And the professionals are not there when they wake up at midnight to cry for their bad dreams. And if there were professionals in such a situation they would just pump these people filled with more mind-altering stuff into their veins. It’s really up to the rest of us.
The people who say it’s for the pro’s to solve usually do not either care about others enough or do not have the strength required to deal with these kinds of issues.
Anyhow it surely does not help anyone either if we cripple ourselves trying to help others - it would be good if there could be a balance of gaining health and energy and giving it back to others. If that is not possible, then it could be that this thing is taking too much energy. I think that the key is never to stop listening to the heart and do just what it says - even if it changed all the time.
I have to disagree with you. Sometimes your gut feeling is blinded by some strong emotions and you cant judge clearly. it can be hate, love, anger etc.
And i dont think that we really can change somebody, unless that somebody really wants to change himself/herself. its just not worth the effort, and in lot of cases not even possible.
And drug addics are quite difficult cases, cause they have both, emotional and physical addictions.
But gut != heart… My gut is what feels hurt, while my heart is what keeps me questioning my own motives… what did I expect from her? Could it be that I fell in love with her face and her voice? Who did I expect that face and that voice to be? Who am I, anyway? And lots more.
Agreed. You can only change/improve yourself, but if that is enough to positively affect the other - it’s not in your hands.
Strongly disagreed. Of course people are worth the effort, and there’s usually something that is possible, which may nnot change everything but at least clears one or two clouds.
Difficulty can be a challenge. Also a way to show genuine affection and loyalty. But yeah, safety first.
When i said its not worth the effort i meant that if somebody doesnt want to change or doesnt have enough motivation to be determined and make that effort, then you will feel like banging your head against the brick wall.
If she is just a girl you kinda like (i mean not family or something) then there is millions of other girls who you would like the same way. Do yourself a favor and choose a girl who got her act together and you will get much more fulfilling relationship.
IMO a lot of people make a mistake by starting relationship with someone who has some undesirable qualities and thinking that they will change him/her into the person they will really like. In most of cases this is just not true.
I think that you should start relationships with persons that you can accept as they are. I wouldnt bet on changing them into someone else.
I’m way beyond the relationship thing anyway, yes there is plenty of fish… but when you like someone, you like them, and to me that in a way that is like “family light”. I’m not going to let myself be dragged down, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t extend my hand so to speak.
i agree 100%
the deep psychosis of the ruling media storm has obliterated all sense of other directions. when pushing the envelope is the only route to take, all that lies in front of it is self destruction.
man I wanna put my two cents in real bad… this topic is all day for me. Lose the girl… don’t lose sight of all the other beautiful healthy women there are in the world that could be so much more. maybe you have never fought addiction, but my recommendation is that if is not your own don’t fight another’s battle because you have a selfish infatuation. it’ll get you nowhere fast and back on here bitching about how you got f****ed over in no time. Ultimately people who are addicted can’t truly be focused on a relationship that is healthy. you know your real gut instinct says its wrong or else you wouldn’t ask for advice on this subject. It’s obviously not just some blaze issue to you.
Don’t worry… she’s totally off the pedestal, a shame really. The only thing I can do for her now is sweet, dirty love to all sorts of wonderful women. This might make her realize that she actually loves me more than any drugs ladiblah (then we could make babies smoking the pot at the other end of the rainbow yay), and if it doesn’t I still win, so that’s the plan
trust me… drugs beat love. I’m sure you have sat around with friends drunk or high saying something along the lines of how pot or lik doesn’t f**** you over or how it doesn’t demand anything nor answer back to you or give you shit. well thats pretty much what shes thinking about coke. coke beats people any day of the week as long as it’s affordable (and that doesn’t even play in most of the time… drugs are deep enough to find a way). If your fing with a girl with a chipper habit you could possibly guide her attention elsewhere… but i doubt thats the case. she sounds waist or waste deep. you might think that fing around with other women might get her to realize what she could have… but dude, honestly… if she sees you with other women and then sees coke… its move on to more coke for her. shes still on the pedestal for you… you sound very nonchalant about all this like it’s a joke, but you won’t be laughing later dude. but hey, go ahead and try… I had to do it to figure it out. maybe you are a student of the school of hard knocks like myself… i never follow my own advice.
so I’ll probably not understand much on that site
