Niice move dawg 
well what does skale have that renoise have’nt, beside a mixer i’ve heard of? 
Good thing we have 2 developers on Renoise then 
Renoise and Skale has quite different goals as I see it, and the differences will probably only increase. There’s room for both programs, and a little competition is usually a Good Thing 
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For what it’s worth mentioning FT2 look and feel in comparison to Sk@Le:
I don’t see much difference between Renoise and Sk@Le, i can do all the old Ft2 trickery in Renoise as i did back ten years ago in Ft2, but then came PolyTracker and then came Impulse Tracker and now Renoise is the tracker i’m fooling around.
Well soory for my english
i try a lot of prog for making music
skale , i play 1 hour then i delete him
So, i must say that renoise is the first prog i buy !!! yes
I dont use render to wave nor asio output
So why i buy it???
Because its the best tracker ever, and i think the devellopers must be thanks for there very good work !!!
that’ s all
Salut tout le monde !!!
whoa… slow down…
I am registered Renoise user. I love RNS, and it IS the best most powerful program. It’s what I use.
… but, no one can or should ‘diss’ Skale. Skale is dope. Tracking is dope.I like the idea behind Skale (Fast Tracker 3 windows program with support for VST effects, high quality instruments, A+ midi support and good interface) Second, Skale developers have the goal of being oldschool, and still having a poweful program and skale makes a lot of people happy, so don’t spam them. There are people making some tight songs in Skale. I feel very good that someone wants to make a free tracker based on my oldschool style programs. 
Its like a FT2 vs. IT rivarly?? forget that…
How about this… " I use a tracker and my song sounds better than any
sht you can make in Cubase, Cakewalk, Reason or Fruity Loops."
truth being… Renoise has SO much power that if the user is complaining then they should put more effort into learning Reason because what do they expect??? the song to make itself…
hmm… i have an asio supported soundcard, i still use direct x. to me it seems windows has gotten their shit together… dx9 is really rock’n’roll!
anyhow, the reason i use renoise is because it kicks ass. i tried scale, and its not even in the same league.
so ASIO? thats hardly a reason.
I don’t know wich special version of direct x you have installed but mine realy sucks compared to ASIO 
or more probably, your asio drivers for your soundcard suck pretty much and you are so right, microsoft has as always barely gotten their shit together. 
The ASIO support is infact one of the reasons why I once even tried out Renoise. If it wasn’t for the ASIO-support I would have not even considered it as a choise. So I have absolutly no difficulties at all to understand that people that choose between one tracker with and another wihout ASIO-support choose Renoise because its ASIO-support, even if they find the other tracker more suitable for them in all other cases… yeah, and I know that this wasn’t the scenario in this actuall case… but you understand what I mean… asio-support can realy be a main reason…
i’m have an audiophile 24/96 from midiman. it has EXCELLENT asio support. now please tell me, what exactly is it that is better with asio than with directx? i’ve tried both and cant tell the difference… seriously.
so please enlighten me.
ps! latency is not an issue you need to cover… i get 5ms latency with either one of them.
Asio is giving me much worse performance than directsound, using M-Audio Delta 44 with the latest drivers. I also get pops and clicks unrelated to cpu performance using asio. I have no idea what’s causing it. Bad drivers? Maybe.
I have Sound Blaster Audigy 2 XL and if in Renoise I set Latency lower than 50, I get clicks and pops, too. 
It’s weird… I’m using old crappy SB Live! and I note HUGE improvement of performance and latency when using kX ASIO drivers. On DX I am able to produce at about 90 ms, which is the lowest value. If I lower it, I get clicks when the CPU usage increses. When using ASIO I can easily work comfortable without clicks at latency of 21. I get no pops even when the CPU usage grows above 70%.
It seems to be very different from one setup to another. Even with the same soundcard. On my old Athlon 1200 + SB128 I got down to 15ms with DX. On my new Waveterminal + P4 2.6 (which btw broke down the other day ) I cannot go lower than 42ms with ASIO. Others here have reported great latencies with the same card. Wierd is the right word… 
Well, I have the exact same card as you and I can say that you impossibly can get as low latency with dx as with asio if you do not have a superb system as for the rest or perhaps the opposit… I guess you do not own a MIDI-keyboard, cause then you would have realized this long time ago, if you still does you can make a simple test in Renoise: Select an instrument and configure it to use a pretty massive VSTi with a fast attack, put some headphones on your head and then configure Renoise to run in ASIO-mode and set your soundcard to run with a latency of 5ms, push a key on your MIDI-keyboard, then reconfigure Renoise to use DirectX and turn the latency-parameter down to 5ms, and then press the key again. You will then very clear notice that the latency of the 2 differnent drivers is totaly different, even if it is set to run with the same latency, it will be even more noticable when you play a song on your keyboard, for example something fast with Chopin where timing and latency will play a big role in your playing. So do not be fooled by what Renoise is telling about the latency when you run under DirectX…
Direct X gives me a real latency of minimum 40-50ms while ASIO gives me a latency of 5-10ms even with heavy CPU load.
Another thing is the performance, the ASIO drivers is much more tolerant towards heavy processing, it doesn’t get “overheated” as easy as direct x when the processor tops. This is maybe dependent of the system itself and if you use VST(i)s or just wav’s, I do not know, I can only speak for myself and I often use lot of VSTi’s and when I in thouse songs turn over to direct x the songs just sounds like white noise…
Did thouse pops and clicks start when you installed the new drivers? Or have you always had them? Just a question, what motherboard do you have?
Pops and clicks or bad performance with ASIO is often cause by bad PCI-communication caused by either bad drivers, PCI-conflicts, misconfigured pci-settings in bios or a bad motherboard…
I have a Delta 44 and had some trouble when using the Asus K7M motherboard, that sux btw. But changing motherboard I’ve had no trouble using both my soudcards (sb live and delta 44), useing latency 10ms without clicks and pops. You should check the motherboard manual to see what PCI slots that share the same IRQs and try place the card in a “free” lot.
I’ve had the problems with all drivers I tested. I have the same motherboard as Simon, and I’ve had a couple of bluescreens lately (tho not before), so I guess it’s an IRQ problem. I will check the manual, and try placing the soundcard in a different slot.
“…misconfigured pci-settings in bios…”
Twilek, any idea which settings this may be?
Everything that has to do with the PCI-busses.
If it is not already disabled try to turn off delayed transaction.
If it is not already set then try to enable 1MB memory hole and see if that helps.
Look for PCI Latency Timing or something similar and try to lower it and see if that helps.
The first thing you shall check though is if the soundcard share any IRQ with any other card, it will not help to check in windows if you run your computer in ACPI-mode, you have to check it in PCI-table in the manual to your motherboard to be sure. If it share ICQ with another device you have to move the card to a port that does not share IRQ with any other device.
The next thing you shall do is to upgrade your BIOS to the latest version.
Check out if there is any new drivers for your motherboard chipset. If so install them.
If nothing of this works you probably have a bad motherboard. Then the best thing you can do is to buy a new better one
Yeah! You are so right.
Yesterday I cought my SoundCard having a secret naughty chat with my network adapter, forgetting what it was suppose to do. To give me a 3ms ASIO latency.
lol, I sometimes write alittle bit too fast without thinking my fingers are obviously more habituated to write that other darn abbreviation so when my brain disconnect they are doing it just automatically