Can you post rendered results of the same response-sound combo with different convolvers? Like to hear the difference, maybe these other convolver plugins allow more customization options in the preferences, have oversampling options etc?
I’ve used sir(2) & altiverb in the past, but find Renoise’s convolver really good. Light on the cpu and I can get a great sound out of it, though I hardly use traditional reverb ir’s for input, mainly experiment with samples.
I’ll post some examples when I get home, but I agree that the convolver isn’t super great. Using reverb impulses sounds kind of lofi but it’s at least usable for that. Cab impulses however, not even usable for that. You can hear the difference really clearly, it’s not even remotely close.
It’s actually not as bad as I remember it being. Maybe I was just doing something dumb before. You can still hear the difference pretty clearly in the second riff. The response from the low end is completely different.
I think of it more as a grainy noise fx than a reverb. Would prefer the ability to send midi data via vst to vst(s), or even just having the ability to view vst folders in the browser rather than the authors. Not that the convolver doesn’t make a good effect…
It’s actually not as bad as I remember it being. Maybe I was just doing something dumb before. You can still hear the difference pretty clearly in the second riff. The response from the low end is completely different.
I didn’t hear that much difference on my laptop at least, but i don’t get much low end here so it’s a pretty useless observation.
I see the convolver sample is mixed louder than NadIR and also the nadir has quality settings that the convolver doesn’t have, while convolver has coloring settings, so they’re a bit different that’s right, but does that mean it sounds better than the convolver? Maybe you can color it to sound more similar ?
I also wonder if the sample rate of the IR matters? Maybe they translate the IRs to different rates so that resampling must be done to match the results?
Did you record on the highest quality in NadIR? I wonder because that is not the default, so the difference may be caused by the quality setting maybe?
I did record the highest quality on NadIR, which is kind of the point, I would really like quality settings for convolver. Coloring doesn’t make a difference. What I and most people want out of IR’s is for it to “just work” and sound exactly the way it’s supposed to sound. You really shouldn’t have to play with color controls to get the “default” sound you’re supposed to get out of the IR.
I did try to roughly level match but it’s difficult, and while NadIR was at 0 db convolver was at -12 or something close to that. Either way I wouldn’t expect that to change the response in the low end so much. In fact for this test, since I use 100% wet 0% dry, what I expect is for the gain on the convolver to only change the gain of the overall sound. That sounds like the case when I move the slider, and has always seemed to be the case in all convolutions I’ve used.
I did record the highest quality on NadIR, which is kind of the point, I would really like quality settings for convolver. Coloring doesn’t make a difference. What I and most people want out of IR’s is for it to “just work” and sound exactly the way it’s supposed to sound. You really shouldn’t have to play with color controls to get the “default” sound you’re supposed to get out of the IR.
I did try to roughly level match but it’s difficult, and while NadIR was at 0 db convolver was at -12 or something close to that. Either way I wouldn’t expect that to change the response in the low end so much. In fact for this test, since I use 100% wet 0% dry, what I expect is for the gain on the convolver to only change the gain of the overall sound. That sounds like the case when I move the slider, and has always seemed to be the case in all convolutions I’ve used.
I don’t really know how it works or anything, i just assumed that no convolving tools sound exactly the same, but maybe i’m wrong? In that case, how do they make it so if they use different codes? Or if i’m right, then what is the default sound?
Well they don’t sound 100% exactly the same no, but there’s a difference between slight almost imperceptible differences and being noticeably worse, which is what the convolver is. I could do a null test with different IR loaders and prove they’re all different, but honestly none I have tried have been different enough for me to hear except convolver.
I don’t want to be overly critical or anything, it’s not thaaaaat bad, but it’s bad enough to not use, and to use VSTs instead. And I don’t know that Linux users really have an alternative.
And I don’t know that Linux users really have an alternative.
There is klangfalter which is great as far as I know, I can’t say how it compares quality wise though. IR can be used with the aid of carla as a plugin host. Of course if we could ever get lv2 support things would be much easier.
Lately I used the old “Space Designer” / IR Reverb from Logic 9 again…
Wow! It simply sounds so nice and superior to have the ability to draw a volume shape on the IR, which causes the IR to be re/pre-calculcated again.
So another request for the convolver device:
Ability to edit the IR wav directly in the Renoise sample editor (direct way, auto updating on changes, no manual filesystem ops). For example by adding “edit IR in sample editor” to the context menu of this dsp device
Renoise sampler having the ability to draw a multipoint spline curve on top of the sample, which can control things like volume, panning, or any parameter of one effect slot, you can add to the sample editor. You draw the curve, then select the target parameter in a dropbox below, and then click apply. Also checkbox “auto apply”, like applying after 3 seconds inactivity
One “destructive edit dsp” slot below under the sample view. Not expanded, not showing any parameters, only a drop down with a list on the renoise dsp
wasn’t the convolution improved with v3.1? i’m using convolver with some EMT/L480/other impulses and those sound fine.
i also think ‘color’ filters are too steep, some shelves or 1pole filters would work better.
spline curve for volume envelope would be cool and usefull but i’d prefer it in a non-destructive dumbed down instrument modulation set for vol/pan/filt instead of a destructive sample editor. fits the current renoise ‘instrument philosophy’ better imho
space designer is ok but i hate it for loading external impulses, and the volume release can be kinda chunky on shorter values (splines with more points could work much better in that regard)
