E.g. because features like wav tracks were “kind of” announced. Also with the the introduction of 2.8 or 3.0 there was talk that this version(s) would lay the ground for later things like wav tracks. I’m granted updates till 4.0 and I wait for features like this for a long time now. I feel tricked and I’m really disappointed about it.
I can’t remember any promise that we will get wave tracks in any specific update? It wouldn’t make sense if they promised something like that because they never announce future features. The talk that this version would lay the ground for later stuff was all about taktik rewriting much of the code from ground up if i’m not mistaking. The whole instrument section was totally refurbished, you remember how much it actually has improved since 2.8 don’t you?
Reaper provides monthly updates and always worked for me rock solid. It’s possible to deliver frequent updates without breaking things.
When did Renoise become Reaper? If Reaper is so rock solid, then why does it need to be updated monthly? What kind of updates are we talking about?
Reaper is a rather new project, it would make sence if the frequency of updates would naturally lower with age.
Renoise is a project that does its own thing, while Reaper seem to build on stuff that has already been done. It’s not a tracker, it’s not based on ticks per line and they might also have less complex code to work with, i don’t know, but i kinda have a hunch that the codes looks entirely different from a programmers point of view. This is of course only speculation from me as i really don’t have a clue about these kind of stuff and i have never even used Reaper.
Totally untrue ! Problem is, that for certain questions they don’t give ANY answers. They could answer those questions with simple news blogs, faqs whatever. But they don’t. And thus we have threads like this.
They did actually, but just not the answers you want…and probably a lot less frequently than you want.
Also wrong. I need a car without fancy stuff. I need bread and butter features,without rear view cameras and that stuff. But they added it ! All I wanted was more bread and butter, but they gave me the vanguard menu ;-).
So what you’re saying is that when you buy a new car they will continue to upgrade it and do service on it for free for several years to come? Change oil, wash it, change wipers, refill wiper fluid, change tires…the usual bread and butter?
The silence and absence of the Renoise team causes negativity. I’m on board here since 2008 and also have contributed some things. In contrast to the Renoise team I never took or earned a cent for my work. But they just ignore many volunteer people like me. And how comes you know my age ? I probably could be your father, mate !
If you could be my father you must be quite old. I’m actually about the same age as the devs here. I first registered in 2005 i believe, not very active on forum that time though, but i started using Renoise in 2004 or 2005. Since then, many requests has been realized and many has not. They have never been very open about the releases and i don’t expect this to change all of a sudden. They’ve had periods with much more frequent updates and bug fixes and such, and yes i do miss those times in a way, but honestly i sometimes had a hard time keeping up with all the changes. Both releases 3.0 and 3.1 has to me been the best releases ever, they have really expanded my creative freedom. I understand that you feel differently, but you shouldn’t go around and think that everything evolves around you. Lots of decisions have been taken to make something they believe in and it’s not possible to realize everyones dream.
There’s a reason why people complain. It doesn’t help to play things down again and again. The communication method of the Renoise team (radio silence) is not satisfying. And as long as they stubbornly follow this route, there will be problems and complains and not “happy clappy”. Why is that so difficult to understand ?
There’s a reason for everything. Their communication method is excellent, all the times i have communicated with any of the devs they have handled it very politely and helpful. The lack of communication out to the general public could have been better though, but i don’t really blame the guys. People have different personalities and abilities and as taktik just stated they’re 4 guys taking care of everything.
We could probably quote each other and argue into eternity, but i doubt anyone of us will get much out of it. 
Looks like a small gesture can make a big difference though:
THANKS taktik ! Even if I don’t like to hear that Renoise is not in focus, I appreciate your information and that you clarified things. No more guessing. The facts are there, now.
I also think that Renoise as a tracker is not designed for the mass market and will be a niche product. Nonetheless it already adopted many features which are standard in the mass market and thus became a much more attractive piece of DAW software. I really hope this journey will continue. Right now I’m testing bitwig and my impression is, that they copied many good things from Renoise and Ableton. So they learned from Renoise, and Renoise devs can be proud that their product served as a model. On the other hand we all learn from each other. So Renoise could also learn from bitwig and other DAW’s.
However, looking back in this thread and behind I was not always nice and it’s true: often not very encouraging and hard critizing. Therefore, I want to apologize if that was overall too negative. I appreciate that you and your team developed Renoise over all those years. It worked always rock solid, an overall awesome piece of software, and is still the best tracker on the market. The LUA API is overall awesome and well done, too. Thank you for that. Only thing is, that even the best tracker in the world needs progress. I’m curious what the future and your new product will bring.
Merry Christmas and peace
I hope for a great future for Renoise and wish you all a happy Christmas!
