I know this is no new 2.5 feature, guess it was changed in 2.1.
I really tried hard so far but couldn’t get accustomed to the order of the plus/minus buttons for adding/removing columns of a track.
Before 2.1 or so we had the following order: +/-
After a new column was added, the plus button was still at the same position.
Most of the time I used to double-clicked that button to insert two columns at once (mostly for chords).
Since 2.1 or so this isn’t possible anymore, there’s only one inital + button there.
If you click that button it changes to -/+. If you double-click the inital plus your added column is removed again,
because the second click activates the minus button.
Therefore, I suggest to switch position of -/+ into +/- again.
From an ergonomical view it’s always best if buttons remain at their position, because we remember it so.
does this mean this is no serious topic for you ? You know my suggestion was actually meant to be serious -
I’m using Renoise on a regular basis since almost 1,5 years now and really stumble uppon this since 2.1.
But thx for the shortcuts hint indeed I should learn to use more shortcuts
You want to make three notes chords, you click twice on the ‘+’ button to add two tracks: you still have one track only. Weird.
Power Trackers certainly use the keyboard shortcuts so that shouldn’t be a problem for them, they wouldn’t even notice the position swap
I think that’s a little flaw in the design: why does a new button move an existing button to an empty space, when the new button could itself occupy that empty space? I’m thinking UI consistency here
I have noticed this in the past, and I find it reasonable to change it in some way, but I would use the shortcuts anyway, since I find them much more straightforward and I strongly suggest you to learn them or to set them to something more easy to you.
on the other hand, this is not a task you perform tons of times each song, so it is understandable that you don’t want to learn the shortcuts
generelly it’s always a mixture between shortcuts and UI-Elements that I use. I agree: the more shortcuts the quicker, but the UI has it’s reason, too. But generally this discussion is not about “shortcuts vs. UI” it’s about a minor ergonomical flaw in the UI.
So the suggestion to use the keyboard shortcuts is just a workaround for a minor weakness that should be improved IMO.
Yeah, I have noticed this problem too. Pretty annoying. This definitely should be fixed. Shortcuts or not, this is not an excuse of having such ergonomical problem in the program.
No it is not that i don’t take the suggestion serious, i just wanted to show you the light and by the way save you a lot of wrist-pain and muscle stress because you have to move the mouse constantly.
In the past i even used only keyboard shortcuts in Windows.
That went pretty much over when applications started to hide in the system tray and i could no longer alt-tab to swap towards them and when certain options in applications did not got shortcuts or simply a context-menu only reference.
word … in linux business I’m accostumed to the keyboard … it’s really a blessing once you’ve learned it, and absolutely agree about the muscle pains …
It’s just that there are so many applications with different shortcuts to remember - besides the standard ones
BTW: tried Win-Tab on Win7 ? Or shift-win-arrow l/r in Win7 and Dual Monitor - it’s so stylish
… in linux business I’m accostumed to the keyboard … it’s really a blessing once you’ve learned it, and absolutely agree about the muscle pains …
