Dsp Sub-chains

[Luke_Norland (jasper)]

The point is to create DSP chains that are more modular, more easily managed and stored for re-use, and to clean up the epic clutter of a complex chain and its frontend.

i like this idea- well done
+1
i come from devon too, but i call it a dibber…

[Airmann]

No Problem, was tired, too :-). Didn’t actually want to Hijack. But you’re right, if we’d go deeper into the topic this thread would be poluted.

So I open a new topic on that:

Signal Follower Sidechain Fake

[Ledger]

Just re-reading this thread, I see it goes along with this one:

http://www.renoise.c…showtopic=23646

This is Suva`s mod of my mock-up,

You get the modularity, extracting relevant parameters [e.g. depth from the chorus here], saving set-ups as presets (amoungst other things such as VSTi loading in tracks, MIDI VSTs etc.)

[BamBooli]

Yep …

it comes to the point to have an modular system like AlsaModularSynth (AMS) in linux and if you have test this beast you know how great it sounds ;o)

I dream of the possibility to have such a powerful routing with such massive modules like in AMS and this an all OS for swapping tracks.

See what comes …

[danoise]

@dblue

Imagine being able to take a huge, messy DSP chain like this:

And group it all into a single, smaller, more convenient device, which only showed the handful of parameters you actually needed to automate:

Cowbell? Radness? Awesome!!! Somehow I missed this beautiful exercise in simplicity from dblue.

[Suva]

This beautiful exercise in simplicity from dblue is full of cowbell, radness and awesome!

+7996

[svennarve (Sam)]

• one billion trillion

[Kameleontti]

Yay! Great post. I’m your henchman on this.

Been thinking of this solution before some. So this would be like Hydra that contains bind effects and routes the audio inside modular? And also allows meta devices control multiple parameters? Would be great if the devices could really be broken up for this. For example, if I could break up the delay effects feedback loop I could actually make modulated and EQ’d delay that builds effect on top of previous cycle. And such. Wasn’t this the original idea?

Think of it at least.

[Jonas (Djeroek)]

@Sam

• one billion trillion

lol

[vincentvc (woponep)]

+1 seems i never did…

[Lethargik]

+1

[datassette]

Just giving this thread a bump/addendum.

In addition to the original idea, hidden send tracks could be confined to a DSP sub-chain, or ‘Black Box’:

Say you have a multiband send going into 3 send tracks with different types of distortion - you have created native Multiband Distortion. That’s awesome, but if you want to re-use this in other songs you have to either save 3x DSP chains and 1 multiband send preset, or make a template song for it.

A better way to store this structure would be to wrap up those 3 tracks and 1 device into a single meta device, which you would then place inside a single send track - so we’re actually having a whole other track with 3 different send tracks actually contained WITHIN a send track inside Renoise - but these extra send tracks ‘inside the black box’ would not be addressable from anywhere else.

This device could contain any number of FX and send tracks, but appear in the Renoise Track DSP view as a single device, be isolated from other tracks elsewhere in Renoise, and with only the pertinent parameters that need automating exposed to Renoise automation and pattern commands via a user-definable GUI front-end.

(See other thread)

[rhowaldt]

bumping this thread, because i re-read it and completely agree with the awesomeness of dblue’s idea here, and because of this separate thread that brought i back up here.

dblue’s idea is a lot like what Reason’s Combinator does (although the Combinator is a bit more powerful, having its own keyzones etc), and i really loved that device in Reason to clean up your chain and organize things into one single device.

[vastique]

+1

[kurtz]

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[rhowaldt]

i kinda feel this thread should be pinned. anyone agree?

[thanatos]

bump for this thread. this idea would put renoise to fantastic professional quality

i have an idea to implement it without rewriting everything (but perhaps i’m wrong don’t know what is under the hood)
in the vst revalver you have an fx chain that is vertical and work like the one in renoise( but the one of renoise is horizontal)

you have a fx called the splitter which work this way. you put the A fx that start the the First signal chain than you put the B fx that stop A chain and start the second chain than when you went to end the Second chain and merge both you put the merger. you could have pan each chain

we could think about a more powerfull kind of splitter with 4 chains and pan/vol for each chain. one nice feature would to have as many splitter as you want (yes : splitter in spliter like rack in rack in ableton live)

what do you think of this ?