External FX send/return insert device

My single biggest wishlist feature is a native device which drops into the FX chain, routes audio out to a selected output, then brings it back via a selected input.

The key piece is that the send/return latency is compensated for as part of the PDC calculation. Bitwig’s implementation of this is a perfect use-case example: you click a button which sends an audio ping through your FX loop, measures the round trip latency, and auto-compensates.

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Would be cool to have internal audio sends and returns as DSP for anywhere in the audio chain, so we could create feedback loops. Would perhaps be wise/necessary to have a limiter component enabled by default in such situations

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That be awesome, Ableton Live had this in sends - send A to B to C and back to A, watch out for feedback noise…

Not sure if I mis-remember, but I think there is a secret workaround that can achieve feedback loops somehow? Might be a corrupted memory, or it has been patched out already? :thinking:

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Control signal feedback is possible using a Hydra, which can create some cool chaotic effects modulation. As far as I know there isn’t a native method for audio feedback, but if you can find it or dig it up I am definitely, definitely interested!

I did a video quite a while ago about signal feedback in renoise which I will post here when I find the link

Ah, here it is:

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This could probably be done with an audio output configured to loopback, and a subsequent Line In device setup to capture the loopback input

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Loopback outputs on your audio interface (or virtual interface e.g. Black Hole, if you’re on OSX) and Line In devices to capture the return.

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Hmm I’ve got black hole. Guess I’ll have to tinker with it and see if it works for this. I usually use blue cat connector for feedback loops, but I’m always keen on more native solutions. Thanks for the idea

Yeah it’s a hacky solution, not ideal, but maybe worth trying for shits and giggles. Wondering what the latency would look like as well.

EDIT: I just tried it. The round trip through Blackhole adds about 15ms latency with audio settings at 96 kHz, 5ms system latency. Upping the system latency also ups the round-trip latency of audio through Blackhole.

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