Getting A New Computer

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Me and my girl are looking to buy a new computer, a sorta allround machine for office applications, image manipulation, gaming and DVDs, my renoising and other sound creation. Basically any new computer would do now, but to make it last a couple of years, we’re looking to spend something like 1000-1500 euros sans display. There’s some decent looking packages Hewlett-Packard and Fujitsu Siemens are offering here in Finland, but we really have no need for the basic input/output devices, optical drives, operating systems or pre-installed software. So, I’m turning to stores that would build the machine we need. So here’s the thing: I’ve been in the dark from the cpu developments for some time and basically don’t know jack about them anymore (except that Intel’s still the expensive one), so I don’t know what we need! I know I want 2GB of RAM and 200-300GB worth of HDD but that’s about it. The three setups I now have on my list have processors as follows:

Hewlett-Packard PAW5151: Intel Pentium 4 640 HT
Fujitsu Siemens SCALEO Ta A64 X2 380-20: AMD Athlon 64 x2 (dual core)
Custom built setup frame: AMD Athlon 3200+ S939 Boxed

How do these relate to each other? And more importantly, which would be the best for Renoise? I think Hyper Threading and Dual Core are there to boost multitasking but is there actually a performance loss compared to a traditional cpu when running software more or less dedicatedly, like in a fullscale Renoise session? Also, suggestions for replacements of the processor in the custom setup would nice to hear, aswell as the reasons behind them.

Out of these three, the HP and FS are priced the same although FS has only 1GB of RAM. The custom one is considerably lower in price because I could strip off all the extra junk. HP has the loveliest case, with tiny doors for optical drives and usb/fw/sound jacks and the memorycard reader that 's embedded in the case thus taking not stealing any expansion bays while there’s surprisingly (at least to me) few free expansion slots with the PCI-E graphics card fitted. FS is the ugliest with its dumb blue leds glowing at the bottom. The custom one would now be assembled into a Antec Sonata II Piano case but I heard that there have been some serious heat issues with that particular case so currently I’m thinking of going with Nexus Breeze.

Please, do share any thoughts and ideas that might have arisen while reading this post. They will be considered invaluable because where else am I going to get Renoise specific recommendations for processors if not here?

And in case anyone was worried or wondering about how will the comp sound: No more integrated audio, I’m getting an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 as I understand it’s often referred to as THE cost efficient sound interface.

i would go with dual core AMD

me too.

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I’ve recently built two AMD 64 systems, one for my friend and one for me. I would build the computer myself or let it build with selected components instead of buying a complete one.

I would recommend with this budget (prices are from Germany):

Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-K8NF9-Ultra; around 100 Euro; (no SLI, passive chipset cooler, nForce 4 Ultra)
RAM: 4x 512MB Kingston Hyper X or similar RAM with good timings; 200 Euro - 250 Euro
CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 64 Pro; 15 Euro (good, if you don’t overclock)

These components are below 400 Euro, so you can split the remaining money for a good PCIe graphics card and a CPU. I would pick the 3700+ single core CPU (around 210 Euro - 240 Euro) or something better, if you want to have dual core. The rest of your current components can be reused easily to save money.

I forgot the power supply unit, depending of what you have already in your current computer. A good one will cost around 100 Euro. (BeQuiet, Tagan, Seasonic, Enermax)

dual core amd , for shizzle

Or forgo all your choices and get a new MacBookPro or the new iMac with Intel chips to help beta test Renoise for us. :)

Oh give up, you! :angry:

As much as I would like to be the sole tester for two of my most favorite apps on a new platform, I don’t have the time. And although we are still not sure which computer or parts to get and remain open to suggestions, one thing has been decided: it will be a PC. Now let me get back to work, so I can also get a Mac later on, like I already told you, Peter. :)

Thanks for the answers/opinions/pointers so far, keep 'em coming. So, Dual Core beats HT? What about dual/single core interchangeability, is there such a thing (is there even such a word)? I mean do all the new motherboards support dual core or does support for that also cost extra? In the light of what you have said so far, I’m leaning towards dual core AMD and the x in 3x00+, possibly even 4x00+, will be as high as possible while keeping the total cost inside the set limits.

A couple of questions:
Why recommend 4x512MB instead of 2x1024MB? Cheaper if one comb breaks?
Why recommend a non-SLI motherboard? I’d think an SLI one would age better, because you could get an identical display adapter much, much later in the comp’s life for pennies and ~double the comp’s graphics juice. Of course, one would be foolish to pay for SLI AND end up buying an ATI card. Btw, any thoughts on that, the whole Nvidia/ATI shebang? And remember, we’re musicians, artists, we don’t need to start a war over tech things. That means ixnay on the “X is K0R3 while Y B1735!”. (Btw, IS K0R3 still K0R3, huh, anyone? ;) )

@Beatslaughter, good grief, should I really get a PSU separately? I’m looking at the Nexus cases and they all mention having “NX-xxxx real silent PSU’s” and the guy at the store where I was shopping for the custom built comp told me that the Antec case (in the current setup) is very silent, second only to Nexus. That could also have meant “out of our selection” but how noisy can a comp be and still be referred to as silent?

Phew… The defence rests.

Nearly all AMD64 boards are dual core compatible, only some older ones are not. You should look for something like “X2 ready” or similar in the description. Some boards however, need a bios update first to support dual core. This can be very annoying when building a PC, because you need a single core CPU to flash the bios, the dual core CPU will be recognized only after flashing.

I had some problems with 1024MB RAMs running in dual channel mode, the 512MB RAMs also usually allow better timings than the big ones. If you let build your PC by a computer technican, you can try the big ones first and if they don’t work well pick some 512MB RAMs as second choice.

There is nothing wrong with SLI, if you’re gaming a lot, this would be the better choice. I would pick a motherboard out of the Asus A8N-x series in that case, they seem to be the most popular. Some users had some problems with the loud chipset cooling fan, this was fixed in newer revisions of this board. In case you accidently buyed an old revision, you can order a new fan from Asus to replace the loud one.

I personally don’t care from which manufacturer my graphics card is, the older ATI cards had no support for Shader 3.0, but this isn’t really noticeable that much while gaming. If you buy a SLI board, there is no other choice then Nvidia, ATI would be nonsense in that case as you already said.

Just had a quick look at the Nexus site, i would pick the Breeze 500, the iStyle ones seem to have no PSU included. If you already have a good PSU with around 480W or higher, there is no reason to buy a new one. Just take care, that you’ll need some extra power, especially when using SLI.

If you want a silent system, you should take care of, which graphics card to buy. Search for some reviews about the included coolers. I’ve built a Powercolor Radeon X850XT in a PC of a friend and this card makes noise like a starting aircraft when the PC is started, the card calms down after some seconds but is still very loud for my taste. You could also have a look at water cooling solutions, but this will be somewhat expensive, silent is a very subjective thing i think.

intel f’d up bad with the new cpu’s, stay away…

No. NI stole it.

One very happy AMD 64 +4000 user here. Antect Sonata II cases are worth looking into if you want to make the system very quiet, sometimes silent. Using variable resistors on very large fans means no water cooling and quiet. But if you want schmasy GFX then that’s harder…

Ahha! I knew it wouldn’t last. Now who’d look stupid with a T-shirt with the slogan: “Renoise - it’s k0R3.”

Yes, a modular design is very nice, but i have no problem with the cables. I usually hide them behind the motherboard ground plate. Works well for me. :)

Sorry for bumping an ancient thread but I wanted to let you know you really influenced the decision making here. This is what the system looks like on paper now:

CPU: AMD ATHLON 64 X2 4400+
MoBo: ASUS A8N-E
RAM: 2048MB DDR 400MHz (2x1024) Buffalo
HDD: Seagate 250GB Barracuda SATA
GFX: ASUS X1600xt Silent VIVO 256MB
Case: Nexus Breeze 500W

And gotta mention, although bought earlier already:

SND: M-Audio Delta Audiophile 2496

Notice the passively cooled gfx card… that’s one fan less making noise. <3

Thanks for the pointers everyone, especially for directing me towards the dual core AMD. Gonna pick it up on thursday and probably drool all over it.