Hip Hop

[Meconium]

I don’t listen to much Hip Hop, but here are some of my favourites:

Aesop Rock
Busdriver
El-P

…and of course the classics:

NWA
Public Enemy
Wu-Tang

[delphi]

producers: Premier, J Dilla, Pete Rock, 9th wonder, dj Babu…

rappers: Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, Immortal Technique, Dead Prez…

bands: Wu-Tang, Public Enemy, J5…

…and many more!

[meow]

“Wu-Tang is for the children!”

Hey BYTE, any recommendations on Saul Williams and any albums of his to listen to?

[Nick_Rogers (Moss)]

“Doseone” is another good one, and noones mentioned roots manuva! He does most of his own productions, and they are sick!

EDIT: Charly did, sorry

[BYTE-Smasher]

@meow

“Wu-Tang is for the children!”

Hey BYTE, any recommendations on Saul Williams and any albums of his to listen to?

I’d personally say “all of them” … but I’ve only personally heard Saul Williams (2004)
and The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust! (2007)

A quick search on youtube provides many goodies however. He’s primarily a poet, so he’s got a lot of spoken word stuff floating around, including spoken word versions of some of his songs. This one is a favorite of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QnkrMA0wXQ

Here’s a moving commentary on the state of hiphop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjvVf2PKoV4

[Niall]

@Moss

“Doseone” is another good one.

I dunno, 13&God is good, but don’t you find his high nasally voice kinda annoying sometimes?
I met him at an ATP a few years ago, he was a real nice guy actually.

Also, no way you don’t like pussyole.

[meow]

Sweet, thanks BYTE. I’ll check it out.

[NER]

Dr. Octagon

[ryan.mcallister (ryanmca)]

@meow

“Wu-Tang is for the children!”

Hey BYTE, any recommendations on Saul Williams and any albums of his to listen to?

Saul Williams and Niggy Tardust are 2 completely different artists. Yes it’s the same guy, but it’s really interesting how Saul Williams created the character that has a certain style, both in sound, looks and attitude.

I would suggest you check out both artists, which means do the Niggy Tardust one, but as far as “Saul Williams” I personally dig Amethyst Rock Star more than his self titled album.

Also youtube the movie “Slam” it’s pretty dope.

[dolly]

i fucking loved saul williams self-titled album - it had like, 4 tracks where you just stop what you’re doing and stare at the speakers in amazement. “act III scene 2” in particular is just fantastic.

other stuff i like…

mr lif
edan (“beauty and the beat” is a fantastic record too)
jehst
eyedea and abilities
eric b and rakim
tribe called quest
the coup
stain(ed) art
klashnikoff
skinnyman
ultramagnetic MCs
RJD2

and if we can stretch the definition of hip-hop a little, i’d also include asian dub foundation. “enemy of the enemy” is a brilliant record too.

[BotB]

Ho yes! Asian Dub Foundation!
And Rage against the Machine!

[BYTE-Smasher]

@ryanmca

Saul Williams and Niggy Tardust are 2 completely different artists. Yes it’s the same guy, but it’s really interesting how Saul Williams created the character that has a certain style, both in sound, looks and attitude.

I would suggest you check out both artists, which means do the Niggy Tardust one, but as far as “Saul Williams” I personally dig Amethyst Rock Star more than his self titled album.

Also youtube the movie “Slam” it’s pretty dope.

Niggy Tardust was a character, yes, but the album “The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust!” was produced (with Trent Reznor) and released as Saul Williams. Niggy isn’t the writer… he’s simply the narrator. He’s stated that Niggy is a caricature of up and coming artists that are willing to shed society’s shackles and stand up for our rights as people… a representation of those willing to discard notions of race, class, gender, and any other misguided social statuses, in exchange for the realization that all life on earth is tied together and that we are all essentially one organism, currently warring against and destroying itself, and it needs to stop.

[entropia]

dilated peoples
smif n wessun
black moon (enta da stage )
lords of the underground
rakim
gangstarr
method man & redman (blackout)
lootpack

[gentleclockdivider]

best out there
http://www.warprecords.com/antipop/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84LOYFbf3o

[entropia]

antipop are really good!

some underground rap from Naples
Clementino

post-rap (??)
from Italy
Uochi Toki

[ryan.mcallister (ryanmca)]

@BYTE-Smasher

Niggy Tardust was a character, yes, but the album “The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust!” was produced (with Trent Reznor) and released as Saul Williams. Niggy isn’t the writer… he’s simply the narrator. He’s stated that Niggy is a caricature of up and coming artists that are willing to shed society’s shackles and stand up for our rights as people… a representation of those willing to discard notions of race, class, gender, and any other misguided social statuses, in exchange for the realization that all life on earth is tied together and that we are all essentially one organism, currently warring against and destroying itself, and it needs to stop.

That’s what I was getting at, thank you for elaborating.

[BYTE-Smasher]

I’m gonna hijack the thread with an ode to Niggy I wrote yesterday:

Niggy Tardust’s extraordinary plan

"Niggy Tardust was a man with an extraordinary plan
to infect the masses, and their comatose asses

their minds had gone astray from their essence and so they
were listening to charlatans, submitting to decay

he thought 'if only I could catch their eyes
I’d tell them that they mattered, and that they should deny
the lies that they’ve been spoon-fed since our culture went awry

to all the things they disagree, they should loudly reply
to commands of the cash machine, they shouldn’t dare comply

they should discard their pointless fears and reclaim all their rights
they should wake up to their unity, and they should cease to fight

they should listen to themselves and realize that they’re alright
they should support their own views instead of caving in to fright

maybe then we could dismantle institutions that enslave us
and demote the silly, angry men we let indoctrinate us

and maybe then, just maybe, we could find a love of all
that negated every border… that tore down every wall

and nobody would be on guard, just waiting for a fall
we’d all support each other
and what’s more

we’d cease to blindly poison, rape and destroy all our land
we’d only take what we could hold in the palm of our hand
we’d share the rest, and work to build a green technology
and greed would cease to be because we’d no longer envy
and security would rest upon the global sense of love
and knowing that it doesn’t matter what lies after or above’

and so, brave Niggy Tardust, he went out into the world
and instead of simply preaching, being sheppard to the herd
he became a good example of the person you should be
and infected many asses
and that many includes me
and I woke up to a knowledge that my words, they really count
though the odds of changing everything are quite hard to surmount
every one I touch with my ideas slightly changes
and change spreads fairly quickly
like a virus, it’s contagious
and though this rhyme may seem a bit cliche and quite outrageous
I hope that it will stick with you, and make you more courageous
'cause Niggy’s only one person, and with me, that makes two
but add you in, and that makes three, from there you can imbue
your newfound sense of self purpose to many more anew"

and from that funny bit of prose, the idea it just grew
and this is how the world did change, from just a few that knew
that a global shift in consciouses was well, well overdue
and now we pass the torch along, my child, it goes to you

Permalink: http://bytesmasher.com/2009/04/01/niggy-ta…aordinary-plan/

[BYTE-Smasher]

Post a piece of poetry and get no replies? Pfft! I thought this was a forum full of artists

[BotB]

Poetry? This is HIPHOP ya’ll!

Kaken op mekaar
De baanbrekende, veelbetekenende en betekenisvolle mol
Is voor de lol de hol weer af gaan rollen, als rijpe knollen in de wei
rollen wij er blij een rijmpje bij en niemand hoeft me te bedanken

Verankeren ze de belangen van maatschappelijk verlangen
Langs de langste weg naar Rome
Hoe ver willen we komen?
De komende komkommertijden van welleer
Dezelfde cirkel wikkelt zich keer op keer weer om de strot
Van ons aller lot

Ik lach me kapot, ik schaam me rot om wat we verloren
Ziel verkocht en verknocht aan loze woorden, hapklaar
Blijkbaar bijna halfgaar tot waar zij ons willen hebben
Te snel en zonder stempel snellen polderrebellen zelden zonder zorgen
Stovend stormend over morgen mondend in geborgen
Ronde kale kopzorgen

En prachtig, weldoordachte en waarachtig bemiddelende woorden
Vinden nooit een weerwoord
Zonder multimedianalytocologicatechnisch advies
Dus ik kies tussen rood, wit of blauw
Te lauwe pata’s kil, die willen we allemaal
Hoeveel heb je betaald? Weer een levensdoel behaald?
Kruip je met me mee door het oog van de naald?
Niemand heeft me ooit nog uit het hooi gehaald

Je hebt gefaald
Geen zorgen, geen hond die daar om maalt
Geen ziel die het verhaalt, of vertaald
Niet betaald, maar wel de kranten haalt

We doen het samen, beramen verbale aanslagen
Zonder ons te verlagen tot afgezaagd belagend
Beledigend verbaal kabaal, ik wil verhaal
Plotontwikkeling, geen verheerlijking want zonder weerzin
Heb ik er zin in
Ik doe mijn ding, doe jij de jouwe?