I’ve got the basic hang of the sequencer but some of the pattern workflow seems tedious and I’m guessing there’s a more efficient way to do what I’m doing. This is how I work right now:
work out a 16-step pattern that I like
manually extend the pattern length to 32 steps
select everything with the mouse and hit copy
scroll over to the top left of the empty second half of the pattern
hit paste
I do this again to expand out to 64 steps. Is there a better way to double a pattern? Or at least something with less mousing?
I think I chose the word “expand” poorly in this case, since it has specific meaning in renoise.
What I’m looking for is the fastest way to double a 16-step pattern into a 32-step pattern containing two identical copies of the original 16-step pattern.
I’ve at least figured out a slightly less painful way of doing this:
start with a 64-step pattern with pattern loop at 16
work out a good 16-step pattern
hit f10 to go to step 16
hit option-s (on the mac) to select everything above that point
copy & paste to dupe out to 32-steps
adjust pattern loop to 32
Not too bad.
This is actually something I’ve wanted in pattern-oriented sequencers for a long time. Don’t we all work this way? Work out a good 16- or 32-step pattern and then expand it out to double length and add variations? It would be great to have this as a single keycommand in any sequencer.
I’m liking renoise a lot so far. I’ve never worked with a tracker before but I’m already coming up with things that probably wouldn’t have occurred to me in a piano roll. Interesting how much you can do with a single sample.
Do you come from fruityloops or something that you start out with a 16 step bar?
Most of the times I start with a 64 step pattern that I end up expanding to 128 or 256 on higher bpm and lower speed settings. It’s a matter of familiarisation I think.
Using the f9 - f12 and the ‘home’ and ‘end’ keys are a good way to quickly jump through the patterns for editing / copy c & v.
You can also copy the 16 step pattern with mouse selection & ctrl + c and then press ctrl + p to continuously paste through the pattern.
Engine, think you got him wrong I think he means a 16 step bar in a 64 step pattern, or he must have defaulted his song to patterns of 16 step length. Which wouldn’t make much sense to me…but
If so, your solution still wouldn’t give the results he needs:
“double a 16-step pattern into a 32-step pattern containing two identical copies of the original 16-step pattern”
Ctrl + a Expanding would expand only 1 copy of the selected data. (And this can be made easier aswell by using ‘whole pattern’ instead of ‘selection in pattern’ in the advanced edit tab, then expand automatically doubles the patternlength for you). The meaning and use of the word pattern is confusing in this thread lol
Didn’t Impulse Tracker have shortcut like Ctrl-B, Ctrl-W to select a block in a track and then to select a block of the whole pattern respectively?
In many ways I find ReNoise to be of sufficient technical quality (kicking ass),
but focus might be put into refining it’s usability (e.g more actions accessible via shortcuts).
Another way I discovered to do this: use the pattern sequencer.
Just copy pattern ctrl+d, then join, ctrl+j. You wind up with an extra patten this way but you can jump back to the original and paste over it if you want.
renoise requires a tool to be made to do this macro task. select all copy etc . length number , paste consec…
to make a pattern longer , why it does not exist as a menu command and shortcuts by now is pretty crazy.
I like to program 8 step patterns , then make them longer after that. its way too long winded for such a simple thing todo.
No repeats without gui mousing and no block list chain editor to type in repeats amount in either . seems odd for very little coding to make any of that happen.
A simple tool to reduce and extend aka double or 2x 4x 8x for patterns , or all patterns would do it. aka not half timing the notes .
and a simple block list chain editor aka song mode overlord. or octamed song mode block list . or copy octatracks arranger etc to control the pattern arranger of renoise.
There is a tool which autoexpands all patterns and also auto converts all commands and values accordingly made by mogue. Unfortunately you can’t finetune the scope, it is always everything. Search the forum for lpbtool made by mogue.
I think he means a 16 step bar in a 64 step pattern, or he must have defaulted his song to patterns of 16 step length. Which wouldn’t make much sense to me…but