I would like to hear your music made with Renoise or other Daws

So what? You know, I have lot of CDs and large number of them sounds not so good (I’m listening lot of metal and not every studio or self-made man can do it proper). For example - you can find on YouTube this song. It sounds awful like whole album, but album itself is great (for me of course and for many thrash metal freaks). And you know what? If I listening whole album, I forget about difference between this sound and better sounding bands, because ears needs only a moment to adjustment. And if I need more trebles and bass or more volume then… guess what… I have AMPLIFIER with knobs. Really! I can magically increase volume just by using volume knob, I can decrease bass, increase trebles - MAGIC! And I don’t made mixes like - one song from this album, one from another etc. I listening whole albums so for me it’s not a problem that one sounds different than other. So if you share yours songs, I can hear them and focus only on composition (and if needed - I can tune it up a little for my personal taste). And that is how people should listening music, not trying to achieve “the same quality and mix like this guy in radio” etc. After few years we will compare our new songs with old ones and for sure new ones will be much better - so what? It’s natural. Learning is long process that everyone must learn by themselves, not by copying one from another. When you listen perfect mix, you also listen to instruments used in that mix, playing style, themes etc. And then people starts making their own songs that sounds the same (includnig instruments, themes etc). Personally I prefer listen to nice amateur tune with bad mix than crappy identical tunes without any sense but with perfect mix.

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Mixing is certainly more important in some genres than others, as in more a part of the identity of the piece, but for the most i’d say it is a secondary part of your music. If you have good music, then a good mix can make it shine, but if the music by itself is not interesting then it won’t turn it into a great track just by mixing it better.

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The thing that has changed in the last 30 years is the way we listen to music. Most people listen through streaming. And they don’t listen albums anymore. They listen to playlist with various things thrown in. And with that comes loudness normalization. And if you sound bad, or too different than what your music is surrounded by your music gets skipped. So a good mix is more important than it used to be.

That sounds like early 90s, small-time, trashy death metal! The unmistakable sound of a cheap studio, limited equipment, a poor listening environment and no budget to hang around there long. And like you say, it does not matter once you get used to if after a moment. Especially not in the context of a whole album. The music is there.

If you compare it to a band that had more money to spend on their recording in a similar style, like Slayer you can imagine what it could have been like. If there were more experienced engineers involved. But in the past, in the metal genre the quality of the sound was less important. And in my genre of choice, Black Metal, crappy lo-fi recordings were part of the aesthetics.

Anyway, sadly you and I are dinosaurs. Listening to albums, adjusting our sets to fit the music. And yes, I have a large collection of metal cds as well. :metal:

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So true ! I listen to old darkthrone often, or to paysage d’hiver. The lofi brings a very dark athmosphere. I can’t imagine transsylvanian hunger in “good quality”… it would be much worse I think!

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That song kick ass.

^^^ :+1:

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A bad mix can’t be sell
A good mix is a sort of “respect” toward the listeners

Well, yes, it’s about music, not about mixing. :wink:
And your mixes already sound as good as your music. You’re very talented in composing, you should finish your tracks and release them. Your music should be heard! It won’t be heard if you don’t finish your tracks, if you “mess around” with mixes for years (we all now it will never be perfect, there’s always something to complain about) and if you keep being the hidden man, whether here in this forum or on Soundcloud or elsewhere. I really appreciate your contributions and if you’re planning to release an album one day I would like to be the first customer. Your Synthwave stuff is great! And what I’ve heard so far in other styles it’s also cool. Keep 'em coming!

Exactly! You can’t make gold out of shit!
Even “bad” mixes can be sold easily if the music is great, there are millions of examples. The one I would like to mention at this point is Metallica. Their first albums were absolutely bad in terms of mix and master, but we all know that this fact didn’t stop them becoming one of the greatest Metal bands of all time, they’re icons in many ways and not to mention very successful.

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Time has changed…we are in 2021

Seriously

A good composer with good mixing skill and hardwork can become rich
even if he is poor
I think

This is one of the power of music

I never listen to bad mixed tracks

I listen to oldschool Norwegian black metal at times and the production quality is sometimes horrible which makes it so good.

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True Underground sound…sometime
rarely

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Another example of awesome music with ‘bad’ mix

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Narrow mix
but crystal clear sound

Is this good or bad production ? By the way I love this song and the way all sounds wrong in a way

Not balanced
difficult to do a mastering on it I think

Yes, and on the other hand nowadays music is overcompressed and often sounds like crap, because some sort of “professional producers” apparently think the louder the better or whatever. There are no more dynamics, just crap. It’s even that worse that I thought about getting my money back after buying some music. An example for a shitty production is nearly everything from Lana del Rey, especially the album “Paradise”. The music is great, but I couldn’t listen to the album on CD (especially not on headphones) because the production is crap. Never heard something worse, compared to this the first Metaliica album is pure gold production wise! I clearly prefer amateur mixes over professional overcompressed crap.

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Yes
I must admit that with overcompressed channels,precision say goodbye

classical music is never compressed

Many compressors,many leveling amplifiers…many uses

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Yes this is annoying when all is always at “max”. In metal there is the same problem. I have real trouble listening to the recents anaal nathrak albums for example, it gives me headache. The old ones, no issues. All the old death albums also. I don’t understand why there need to be a multi band compressor set on max settings on all recent releases.

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I never use multiband compressor

maybe one day on rhythm