- I used this voice cloning software:GitHub - PlayVoice/lora-svc: singing voice change based on whisper, and lora for singing voice clone
- The harmony voice is my voice as a female voice (more girlish) male → female clone. Sounds a bit unusual, but I thought a girl would be an interesting contrast.
- You use a lot of tracks in your song. Coming originally from AMIGA I set me a personal limit of 32 so as not to lose overall view. The characters are getting smaller and the screens are getting bigger. At some point I’ll need a magnifying glass.
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Yes, you have to be careful if using an exciter. That’s why I always use it slightly IF I use it, mostly I only apply an amount of round about 20% to the high frequencies and 10% to the mids. Anyway, without the exciter the high frequencies are a little bit “milder” in the recent song. But it’s not a very big difference. Even if an exciter is primarily made for usage in the master, I tend to use it on single instruments. I like to use it slightly on specific instruments that lack clearness after cutting the high frequencies (that’s what I generally do with every single instrument). This way you can maintain clearness but you’re avoiding harshness at the same time. At least usually… 
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Some rock type stuff this time. I tried to add some vocals, but it turned out pretty shitty, so i dropped it for now. 
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Man that was out of this world!!!Right up there with the original,no joke!!!Congrats!!
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i made a thing
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@TheBellows What you have there is good, but I think it could be even better. I don’t think it needs vocals. Though I do feel the production is a bit too swampy. Sounds linger to long. Too much reverb. I think that if this track was super tight & punchy with all staccato sounds it would blow the roof of the place. Some sounds can be the way the are. But most of them I feel should have a little less tail. That’s of course just how I think about it. And it’s it always easier said than done. But I’d love to hear a version of it! 
@error.eyes It’s a nicely little tune and I dig the glitchy video… but I don’t feel any connection between the sound and the images. Don’t get me wrong, both are nice and cool. I just don’t think they make sense together. At least not for me.
If you’re open for some further nitpicking, read on. If not, then ignore the rest.
“A deceiver offers an apology” is a fantastic title. It tells a story in and of itself. But I’m not hearing that story in your music. With a title like that I would expect there to be some hurt and anger, some dissonances and harsher, louder sounding notes in the beginning that get resolved over time. And depending on your reading of the story, even some small uneasiness in that resolved apologies. If the deceiver’s apology is disingenuous.
There is a little bit of movement in your piece. But I think it would come out better with some more contrast. Get a bit darker, a bit brighter and a bit more dynamics. Right now I feel it’s just a bit too flat, too pale, too middle of the road. This of course just how I think about it. I just want to put it out there as a form of constructive feedback. Cause I think you’re trying to tell an interesting story that’s not quite coming across just yet.
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Another try in doing LoFi.
Are you talking mostly about the guitars here or the other sounds? I struggled a bit making the other sounds fit with the guitars, so maybe i added a little too much effects? I’ve been using the Unison Zen plugin some lately as it seems to add some nice character to certain sounds, but i’m a little suspicious that it ain’t as good as it seems. For one it seems to destroy mono compatibility, but i find almost all plugins that does things to make things sound wider is doing that to a certain degree. I don’t know, maybe i’m just a bit overwhelmed by all the things that should be in place for a good mix, that i forget or mess up something. If you mostly meant the guitars i think i have realized that my Boss GT-001 isn’t all that great after all…i mean , it has tons of possibilities, but it doesn’t really matter when it just doesn’t sound realistic enough. I tried compairing to a clean recording through ToneLib-NoiseReducer and then through Ignite Emissary and NadIR and it sounded better than any recording through any effect chain on the GT-001. The mentioned chain is very limited though compared to the GT-001, so i guess i will try to download the other Ignite amps as well an maybe i find some good IR files for the NadIR, or maybe i’ll just use the convolver.
Does anyone have some good tips to what i should use to make the guitar sound great? I’m willing to pay for it if it’s a lot better than the GT-001 solution i have already.
I tried Guitar Rig before and i wasn’t really convinced, it seemed to have the same issue as the GT-001, a lot of options, but just not good enough. I will add that when i tried it i had a serious issue with my stationary pc that made any recording sound terrible with all kinds of bad resonance stuff going on and some high pitched terrible noise, so i may try it again. Now i use a laptop and it has eliminated those serios noise issues fortunately.
For a long time thought there was something terribly wrong with my guitar so i even tried to rebuild it with new pickups and everything…
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I love the main riff at the beginning, and I like that fuzz lead that comes in afterward. Both sound great, tone-wise IMO. I think the rhythm guitar that comes in at :50 sounds muddy. Maybe there’s a lower frequency that clashes with the main riff? Also, that delay effect could sound tighter. Is it tempo-synced? Everything else sounds good to me. The drums are really punchy.
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Hm, sounds like you’ve applied a bandpass filter on the whole song except the noise effects in the foreground. It’s completely flat, without any punch and sounds like through a radio.
Yeah, you’re creating “things” all the time.
Nice one, I like the piano! The melody sounds pretty familiar, I’m sure that I’ve heard that before.
Pretty good mix for a LoFi snippet, but not finished yet. It’s pretty soft and needs to get louder on one hand and tighter on the other hand. I just would prefer to listen to songs instead of snippets. But the approach is quite good.
If you’ve mixed in mono it doesn’t matter, it will sound good also in mono anyway. And you know how to mix, it’s all written in this forum in a compressed form, what’s very advantageous for someone who’s about to start dealing with it. You just have to grab the informations and put them into practice. I agree with @highway_rehab in terms of your song. The “bass guitar” sounds good (maybe just cut the lowest low ends, because it’s slightly rumbling) and the first guitar (at 0:38) as well. This guitar just needs to get louder imo. The second guitar at 0:50 sounds completely muddy, it’s like you’ve cut everything above around 700 Hz. This and the weird echoed sound starting at 0:13 (that sounds like you’ve sampled someone smoking a bong and put several effects on it afterwards) are the main issues imo. Unfortunately I cannot help you when it comes to amps of real guitars, but I appreciate that you’re playing guitar instead of using a guitar VST. So actually you’ve got an advantage in terms of guitar sound. I have to use a VST because I can’t play a real one. 
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Mostly the other sounds. Your track reminds me a little of the Seven Nations Army song by The White Stripes. That starts with just a bass line, no thrills. Followed by a big thumping kick. Also sounding very dry. You have something broadly similar but your effects fill the space where The White Stripes leave it empty. That emptiness commands attention & respect. Your delay / crackling effects do not. They’re more a distraction than anything else. And if you find your riff doesn’t hold up without effects, I think you really ought to go back to the drawing board and make it more interesting. But I expect it will do fine.
Around 51 seconds you have some orchestral-ish stabs coming in.They feel swampy to me. There is punch to them but their impact gets diminished by their tale. It’s difficult to put into words exactly. But I’d say embrace the space. You don’t have to fill it all. That’s something I find incredibly difficult myself (as well). Maybe That’s why I am so impressed when people can. And I think your tune lends itself well for it.
About guitar tones. You initial lead at around 0:38 sounds a bit thin and fuzzy. But it also just sounds a bit too far away in the mix, maybe. Bring it a bit more forward and reduce the buzz, maybe? I don’t know much about guitar tones.
Around 1:38 or so you have that choir sound. I feel that suffers from the same lack of clarity. If you have that punch… man that section would hit hard!
You want the reverb to make everything sound big & alive. But you don’t want the reverb tails. So gates and automation are your friends. Of course you can put everything very quietly through a room reverb to tie the mix together.
Really, I think there is a gem of tune here. It just needs a bit more shaving & polishing to really make it shine.
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I appreciate your advice, but please don’t talk to me as if i’m stupid. There are more to mixing than mixing in mono and by listening to your last track it sounds to me that you are struggling a bit with the mixing yourself, so saying it’s easy just by following a recipe is not true.
Maybe easy for some, but certainly not me, at least not with my budget equipment. I’ve been making music for 30 years and i still can’t mix for crap.
There’s a saying you can’t learn new tricks to an old dog and i think there is some truth to it. 
As the end product is going to be in stereo i can’t do all the mixing in mono and to me it seems i can’t make both mono and stereo sound great and i’m forced to compromise sometimes. I also only have a headset to mix with at the moment and that is not optimal and i feel like my ears are lying to me all the time. I do things that seem to sound good in the moment, but in the end it turns into a mess even though i tried to tweak things to sound a little bit better in small steps.
And about the guitar i’m really not a good guitarist and it’s very limited what i can do with it, so i’m not sure how great the advantage is.
I think i’ll revisit it and see if i can do some improvements.
Thanks, i think i agree with the things you mentioned, so i’ll see if i can give it another try to make it a bit more punchy and with less fill. Maybe adding a custom key triggered envelope and maybe some sidechaining and gating to get rid of some of it, but i think i will have to try rerecording some and swap out some sounds/instruments.
As mentioned i’m no good guitarist, so it’s a bit limited what i can do. Sometimes i have had to play something at half speed in a lower octave just to make it work.
I never really like The White Stripes though, i thought they had one great song and that is ‘Dead Leaves And The Dirty Ground’. To me Seven Nation Army is just annoying and very overrated imo. Just my uninteresting opinion though.
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That’s a totally valid strategy. And there are quite few guitar legends who have done the same thing.
Anyway, good luck with your track. I’m looking forward to hearing the next version!
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I never said I’m a pro mixer and yes, the mix of the Soundcloud version of my recent song may not be my best work, but nevertheless it’s good (especially on headphones and HiFi speakers), isn’t it? What do you think is bad? If you say I’m struggling then I’m curious. I already decreased the hihat’s volume and the exciter usage in the master right after the upload (after checking through laptop speakers, and I can only do that after uploading - but unlike you I cannot change the uploaded file because I don’t have a pro account), the high frequencies are overall a tad “milder” now. There’s no need to improve more. Anyway, I bet you’re younger than me if not exactly my age, and if you compare the songs I first posted in this forum (I believe it was in 2018) with my today’s songs, it’s two different worlds regarding mix and master. So I’m pretty sure you can generally improve your mixes and production skills too, regardless of your age. And I don’t talk to you like you’re stupid because I don’t think you are. All I was saying is that you can benefit from the work that others already did. You don’t need to spend a lot of time for researching, watching videos and reading articles about production or whatever. You can check the compressed summary in this forum, and there are several from several people. I’m just one of them, but as I always pointed out, I’ll remain an amateur forever, a music creation hobbyist, no more and no less. My setup is far from being professional, and it will never be professional in any case. But obviously it’s possible to produce a decent sound even with a cheap amateur setup in an untreated room. If you follow the most important basics of mixing you can mix everywhere through speakers to get a good result. It doesn’t need to be perfect, but it should be good for your sake.
It’s always a compromise, but if your mono mix is decent it doesn’t take much to achieve a decent stereo mix, too. BUT it takes some time to achieve that. You need breaks from music, you cannot achieve a decent mix in a couple of days without pro equipment and room treatment. Maybe you just don’t take enough time for mixing? I don’t know, only you know.
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I wouldn’t say bad, but as eretsua mentioned i think it sounds a bit harsh. It’s better than most of my mixes though, so i’m not saying i could do better or anything, but it’s like the sounds ‘suffocate’ a bit, it kinda lacks a bit of air. It’s like some of the timbre quality was lost on the way. Maybe an idea would be to put it in a sodastream bottle and pump some co2 bubbles into it?
Maybe not, i tend to keep going long sessions and often it seems the more i mix the worse it sounds. Haha, i think i try to compensate for something i’m not happy with and just ends up with other things i’m not happy with.
Got it.
As I said, it’s crispy. You’re right. And in my experience everything on Soundcloud sounds crispier than in reality. So the effect gets more “intense”. I like things to be as crispy as possible, but without being harsh of course. Please compare my slightly corrected version on Soundcloud with the original upload. What do you think?
Original upload:
Corrected version:
https://soundcloud.com/tnt-ffm/flight-1/s-yK6ZiACxoSr?si=c75cee8bf45b466d8b95860c1f49242f&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Yeah, just do the opposite. When you start a song just adjust kick and bass properly mixing-wise, after that finish your composition first, and then you need SHORT mixing sessions with at least breaks of 24 hours in between. The longer you mix the worse gets your hearing, the result is a worse mix. Believe me, sometimes I’m also struggling and go back and forth with the volumes of some instruments. 
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I think you may have set it to private as i can’t access it.
Yes, I didn’t know that I have to click on “share” to make it visible for others.
Now it’s available above. Thanks for checking!
good advice right here!
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