Is there a connection between 0%-100% Global Groove and 00-FF Delay Column?

[esaruoho]

hi, anyone able to tell me what the connection between 0%-100% in Global Groove, and 00-FF in Delay Column is? how would i go about figuring this out?

[gentleclockdivider]

You can fill each second line with a hihat pattern , set to lpb 8
The adjust each groove slider separately from min max , listen to the result and which lines they affect
Now combine some of them .
I can easily replicate it with the delay column , it’s just some trial and error

Aha interesting , setting the second slider to full does not correspond to full ff delay starting @ line 06, every 16th line ( at lpb 8 )
It looks like the slider has a range that goes beyond ff

[esaruoho]

i see there’s past discussions too:

[Tool Idea] Convert Delay Column Values To Groove Settings

Probably impossible due to limited resolution in the groove settings, maybe not available in the api, or it just doesn’t make sense [:)] , but would it technically be possible to make a selection in a track containing values in the delay column and from this calculate the most corresponding groove settings? Vice versa would be cool too [B)] The envisioned tool would reset, cut away all delay values & enable and attenuate the groove settings accordingly after running it, so one gets replaced wit…

especially this:

Global Groove - Documentation / How does it work?

In a final attempt to understand the quite controversial global groove function of Renoise, I aimed to recreate different global groove percentages using only the delay column. After trying out different things and consulting the documentation several times, I came to the conclusion that several things are not right. The documentation says that when having a LBP setting of 4, where each line represents a 16th note, then the groove (when all sliders are set to the same values) will shift line 1 …

yes, @gentleclockdivider - i also went in thinking “100% in Global Groove must be FF in Delay Value” but it really really isn’t.

[gentleclockdivider]

Yeah it just has an extended range
Here I compared each slider at max with corresponding delay line (with lpb 8 )
Slider 1 = ff delay start at line 2
Slider 2 = ff delay start at line 6
Slider 3 = ff delay start at line 10
Slider 4 = ff delay start at line 14
you can also set delay by using the q command , but this works on ticks and it’s delay range doesn’t go beyond that of the delay column .

[esaruoho]

ok so i wrote this Global Groove to Delay Column in Selected Track importer into Paketti. works nicely on LPB4 but absolutely screws up with LPB8 LPB16

[aprilix]

I remember this term (LPB)…

But I don’t remember at all what is it

[esaruoho]

when in doubt, mouse hover over Renoise interface is your friend.

[aprilix]

OK…fraction

What is the fraction for LPB5?

5/4,10/4…

[esaruoho]

@gentleclockdivider hi, i got LPB4 + LPB8 working nicely with global groove to delay.
but LPB16 seems like a different beast. it really feels like you’re supposed to actually physically nudge the shuffle notes down a bit, to be able to hit the right beat delays. is this so? can you check?

if there’s some logic that can be applied to this, i could add LPB16 too.