I have had the opportunity to use PolyTracker as a member of Acme, but the only player that could play my work was the polyplayer (Acme’s own player routine for Polytracker modules) itself and none of the .PTM supporting players could do the same job as near as good.
This is why i always plead in the past for using the original editor to play a lot of my own stuff, simply because most players did not performed the exact same way the editor did.
Specially Impulse Tracker’s offset effect or the fine-slide effects sucked big donkey rectum in most players.
Not only because the programmer of the tracker did not documented the behavior, some behavior erupted from my own experimentations and use of unknown glitches or side-effects that the developer did probably not even discovered yet.
A module created through average use of a tracker is reasonably convertable.
Sophisticated use of effect combinations are usually not.
The more stuff that is involved in conversion, the harder it becomes to mimic the exact output.
An mt2toxrns could be easily done but whether the outcome requires as less polishing as possible is doubtfull without mentioning if this time for polishing makes this worth your while.
Support of stereo samples, nna, channel dsp effects, instrument filter envelopes, pattern automations and mixer settings. For me this is primary functions. And secondary is support of VST&VSTi in modules. I think support of VST in converted mt2 can be a little more complicated work than support of the original MT2.5 format without VST. All mentioned features is presented in both mt2 and rns formats, and not present in XM format. And this all is really important features for sound of converted module. Without they, after conversion to xm, mt2 modules sounds like “it is not a music”…
edit: Some of the original mt2 channel commands is important too.
Hm, well. a bit more than i would concider neccesary for a migration perhaps. need to check how things are stored in mt2 and renoise. from what i have seen less than 5 ppl have requested any conversion and if it just takes to long to do i might not feel it adds much to the renoise community.
Even tho some things look similar, it might just be an akward way to do things in one tracker compared to another, meaning, it might work, but the resulting data in renoise might be hard to work with.
I’m on vV, if I want to play around with my old modules, I dig up MT2 and have a perfect playback. I don’t see the need to convert my old MT2 modules in the first place. Making a converter for 5 people doesn’t seem like a great investment of developer time. Even making a decent FT2 playback seemed to cause some headaches back then so converting MT2 modules should be worse.
I think no. For example Renoise is not have drum patterns, and can’t send channel to channel. But this functions is not main, and anyway they can be converted. Drum patterns can be converted to channels of the classic patterns and “send to channel” can be converted to “send to send channel”. All integrated dsp of Mad Tracker 2 can be converted to integrated dsp of the Renoise. Maybe some filters can sounds more “like in MT2” if developers of Renoise make full MT2 filters emulation. But I think it is not necessary, and classic integrated Renoise filters can sounds acceptable near to Mad Tracker 2 filters if conversion will be accurate. As I know only one function of mt2 format is not supported in Renoise modules. It is a crosslinked samples (as in Impulse Tracker format), but this function is seldom used, and can be converted to several samples.
What events can influence to popularity of the some tracker or music editor? One of the popular events is the listen of the music in editor format or supported for load formats. For me is the absolutely true - Mad Tracker 2 community have biggest collection of the modern and nice tracked modules in internet in present time. Buzz community have good collection too, but buzz module format have another unsupported ideology. Of course it’s only my opinion but I think full supporting of mt2 format can be a good bonus for the popularity of the Renoise project. And anyway it’s not so bad function.
Well, after giving it some though I dont feel it’s worth the effort.
We are talking about something that very few have requested here on the forum. Also, we see to disagree on what is “good enough” for migration purpose, i for one think that some work could be left to doing again in renoise. For example envelope related stuff on instruments, where you only need to do it once after the conversion and it applies to the whole song. Also, correct me if i’m wrong, we are not talking about a conversion tool that is for some product that is exactly alive and kicking, this makes me think on how many “unifinished” songs laying around there actually are that would eventually be imported into renoise, for some reason i dont think that it’s that many (judging from the amount of mt2 import request been done)
codec, the paradox is that if you think that a basic import function would suffice, then saving the MT2 to XM into MadTracker and then importing the XM into Renoise would be enough.
so, in the end, if ever a direct MT2 import had to be implemeted, it should be a full featured one
Yah, it would seem so, that a full featured import would what’s wanted by the “majority” (currently one person). Basic stuff i was thinking of was what i would “accept” as sufficient, but ofcourse thats just my oppinion. Brings me back to the main point on why i’m not so sure on taking this on as a just-for-fun sort of project… the lack of requests…
Every useful ideas in the beginning things only in one head. I think this function more useful for beginners, who listen and study many different tracked modules in editor. And can be potential buyers of full licensed version of the Renoise. And for someone who can migrate from Mad Tracker to Renoise (or another popular editors). First persons, as I think, usually do not write at forums, becouse they not feel assured for this purpose. Second persons write and read to another forum, forum of the Mad Tracker 2 project. I write about this, only becouse of I like listen tracked music in editor. Of course I can use this function for convert my mt2 modules to Renoise, and maybe someday I can do this, but in present time for me this function is just for fun. I can listen mt2 in Mad Tracker 2, but want do this in Renoise. I’m a strange person I know.
P.S. Maybe this is becouse of not so good “business” of the Mad Tracker project.
Regreattably my english is not so good, and I don’t understand what you say in this place, but I know well both Mad Tracker 2 and Renoise and can say what all features of mt2 format can be accurate converted to xrns format.
Absolutely true. It is not easy feature. I think it can be several days or even weeks of work for one programmer.
I was just trying to say that the time i was interested in spending in this project would probably not include everything, even tho it might very well be possible to convert theoretically. And if the people wanting the conversion would not find it very useful (a limited import that is) well, then it would probably just be abig waste of time alltogether. this does ofcourse not stop anyone else from doing a “proper” conversion.
This is only your opinion. I think you don’t like listen and stude tracked modules in tracker, but many peoples, especially from beginners, can have opposite opinion to your.
Where did i say that that statement was the truth of all truth ? no exactly, i did not make such statement. I just said that it would be a big waste of time if i where to do a limited mt2 import since the wish is clearly to have something more than that.
Ok. As I say before, I think maximum limit in conversion which can be usefull is a limit to version 2.5 of the mt2 module format. Without support of vst(i) effects. And all another features strongly needs accurate conversion without any limits.
Lazyness is something I overcame a long time ago, I’ve got a couple of songs in Madtracker that I’d like to import into Renoise… But I wouldn’t want the dev’s to waste time on something like that honestly, When I do convert them I’ll do it by hand, ya know?
Have Madtracker open, get all my samples/VST’s set up in renoise and start re-writing note for note. It’s not so bad really.
EternalEngine, I admire your persistence on this, but clearly this isn’t going to happen. Like you said, the Madtracker forums are dead, there is too little interest in this here + the hassle is simply too big to be worth it. Just export your mt2 tunes in madtracker to .wav and import them in Renoise for further refining. Maybe somebody willing and able wants to code an external converter some day.
No one is not should do something for me, or other peoples. I say they 
