Maintenance update, bug fixes, 3.2?

Fsus4 · September 3, 2016, 11:34am

Maybe we could expect a minor bugfix version for version 3.1this year.

However,for thenextmajorupdate it seems morereasonable to expecta version 3.5 beta at earliest around Christmas 2017 andits final release around early summer 2018.

Myestimation is based on the release history of Renoise so far:

June 2002:Version 1.0 released
March 2005:Version 1.5.0 released
March 2007:Version 1.8.0 released
November 2007:Version 1.9.0 released
January 2009:Version 2.0.0 released
May 2009:Version 2.1.0 released
March 2010:Version 2.5.0 released
November 2010:Version 2.6.0 released
March 2011:Version 2.7.0 released
March 2012:Version 2.8.0 released
December 2013:Version 3.0.0 released
October 2015:Version 3.1.0 released

So almost two years between the 3.0 and 3.1 release (which also involved Redux development).

(See full Renoise history here: http://www.renoise.com/products/renoise/release-notes)

Now of course we don’t know what the future holds. What if, for example, Berlin basedRenoise developers and Bitwig developersdecided tojoin forces?

Also, interestingly enough, here are the official release notes for version 2.0:

We decided Renoise 2.0 would be the best time to incorporate fundamental changes. Some aspects have changed so revolutionary that it completely revitalizes the way you make music in Renoise. Moreover, this massive engine overhaul is essential for behemoth features in later releases, such as
_ Zooming _, the _ Arranger _, _ Audio Tracks _ and a Piano Roll.

(quoted from http://www.renoise.com/products/renoise/release-notes/200)

Thisindicates to me that the developers and Renoise team, back in 2009, were at least open to the possibility of expandingRenoise withfeatures such asZooming, Arranger, Audio Tracks and Piano Roll…

TheBellows · September 3, 2016, 12:35pm

Renoise is getting bigger and more powerful by the years which i would think makes it much harder to make improvements now compared to 14 years ago. It’s no point to release a new version just for the license count, you should really be happy they have something substantial before they release it or else your license would run out before you know it.

gentleclockdivider · September 3, 2016, 1:17pm

@fsus4

Are you even serious ., you think because two programs are developed in berlin then can just join forces …;like 'HEllo beatwig team …like to do some coding for us '.

Bitwig priorities are bigger to begin with, they have their own office and the team is paid on a monthly basis , the price and development cost are probably much bigger then renoise’s .

Renoise dev.team is made up by volunteers .

Talking about naivety .

There’s a reason why each update take’s so long , and why the majority of effects are not on par with N.I. , softube , cytomic etc …

Fsus4 · September 3, 2016, 2:07pm

@fsus4

Are you even serious ., you think because two programs are developed in berlin then can just join forces …;like 'HEllo beatwig team …like to do some coding for us '.

Bitwig priorities are bigger to begin with, they have their own office and the team is paid on a monthly basis , the price and development cost are probably much bigger then renoise’s .

Renoise dev.team is made up by volunteers .

Talking about naivety .

There’s a reason why each update take’s so long , and why the majority of effects are not on par with N.I. , softube , cytomic etc …

Not saying anything about the Bitwigs doingcoding for Renoise (or vice versa), only pointing outthe future potentialof having morejoined forces betweenvarious products and services. Bitwig is already doing somebusiness withe.g. the LANDRonline mastering service, Urs Heckmann (u-he) products, andothers. I don’t really see why Eduard Müllercouldn’t possibly choose to strike deals and bundle e.g. future Reduxversions with other companies’ products (or offering discounts on sale), especially with something like Bitwig Studiowhich is also available for Linuxand even quite similar to Renoise in many aspects.

gentleclockdivider · September 10, 2016, 2:11pm

Why oh why .;there a some bugs that the developers know about, in the meanwhile why can’t we have a simplemaintenace update ?

Drop_Shadow · September 21, 2016, 1:21pm

Yes: Why?

Or why no answer?

OopsIFly · September 21, 2016, 2:37pm

I think - from my experiences since the 3.0 release or so - the core dev(s) just have strategy to put a big shield around themselves while working on critical steps, as to not get dragged down by forum ramble & the usual lame cat jokes, or be distracted by the urge to justify descisions made. I can understand this, it is a very small project and has some “special” userbase. Imagine yourself being deep in some code work, and then having to deal with all kinds of ramblings by users afterwards…no good thing. Big projects would have a tightly organised timeline, and someone dedicated and instructed precisely how to communicate with the public. But renoise is a smaller thing. Also there seems to be some “its done when its done” philosophy, and one not to raise too many expectations before they can be fulfilled.

I take it as a good sign that communication is pretty sparse currently - only the necessary forum support right now and a lua tools sector which seems to have a user feedback strategy in development. In the past main public communication about the core happened in beta phase and for some time after release.

so keep calm & post lame cat pics. last year santa brought some betas, who knows who will bring the next.

Robb_Walker · September 21, 2016, 11:08pm

Bugfix would be great. Of all the versions of Renoise from 1.0 to now this has crashed more times than any other by a mile…

Abissus · September 22, 2016, 10:15am

… & the usual lame cat jokes…

…so keep calm & post lame cat pics…

Aww cmon, don’t cat pic shame

TheBellows · September 22, 2016, 2:55pm

Bugfix would be great. Of all the versions of Renoise from 1.0 to now this has crashed more times than any other by a mile…

That’s probably also why they need more time to fix it. You may think a simple bug is an easy fix done in minutes, but i’m pretty shure if it was simple and easy to fix then it would have been done already. Maybe they have to restructure something from the bottom to make it work properly? Maybe they haven’t figured out a good enough solution? I don’t know, but i’m pretty shure it won’t get ready any sooner by speculating and nagging.

danoise · September 22, 2016, 3:11pm

this has crashed more times than any other by a mile…

Crashed, as in…bringing down the application? That really shouldn’thappen.

Apart from the occasional buggy (and non-sandboxed) plugin, or when really pushing the API to it’s limits, I’m not aware of anything that can cause Renoise 3.1 to crash.

So I’m wondering if there is anything you can do to reproduce these errors? You know, the usual procedure for reporting bugs…

I know there is a maintenance release on the horizon (although I’m not able to say when), and it would be a shame to miss out on something so important. Avoiding crashes is top priority!

TheBellows · September 22, 2016, 3:32pm

I managed to crash Renoise 3.1, by clicking stuff thousands of times per second with auto clicker.

patmaddox · September 23, 2016, 1:12am

Yeah I can crash Renoise too, but it always picks back up where I left off when I restart it so it doesn’t bother me too much. It crashes probably < 1% of the time I use it.

Robb_Walker · September 26, 2016, 11:08pm

The crashes I have appear to be quite random and by crash I mean, “Renoise has stopped working” back to desktop with no crash file saved. The most common crash I’m having is when going through presets in Serum. Literally clicking to advance from one preset to another can cause a crash. I am aware this may be a problem with the plugin itself and am not nagging or demanding the developers hurry up, just that for me, a more stable version would be nice…

gentleclockdivider · September 28, 2016, 5:42pm

BECAUSE A NEW RELEASE IS ON THE WAY !!!

YES YES YES YES YES YES

ffx · September 28, 2016, 6:05pm

I like this optimism

Roppenzo · September 28, 2016, 7:17pm

BECAUSE A NEW RELEASE IS ON THE WAY !!!

YES YES YES YES YES YES

source?

Woodpecking_Mantis · September 28, 2016, 7:33pm

Renoise is so stable and crashes so rarely that I often forget to save until I’m going to sleep and close everything.

3 times in my renoise’s life, I’ve been caught by electrical power shutdown du to storm outside or bad weather.

Both hands in the face " shit, did not save yet ! Lost everything I did tonight!!!"

I mean, when working in after Effects, I save like each 10-30 seconds.