Negative values for delay command

Ideas & suggestions
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hello .

Perhaps it s a stupid question . but i would like to use for delay command , negatives values. i want to position/play a note before a line. i imagine it will be easy with negative value ?

thanks a lot

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It’s been requested several times on the forum, not a new request, but we’d all like that. To get around it, shift the note back one spot and adjust the delay positioning forward. You probably already figured that out, though.

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Each note track has 12 note columns. An alternative is to place the note in a free note column on the top line and use positive delay. The result would be the same.

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The notes D-4 00 70 would equate to a negative delay value. The reference line is where the note C-4 is deposited in each case.

  • If you have a problem with the first pattern, you can add another 1-line pattern to fix it.
  • If you don’t have enough note columns, you can add a new note track, and use a group for the joint effect chains.

The delay subcolumn only accepts 2 digits of text. I understand that it would be complicated to add a third digit to represent the negative value. The negative value “-” in the delay has been sued by many users. If it hasn’t been added yet, there must be a compelling reason:

  • Positive delay value 70 (two digits)
  • Negative delay value -70 (three digits)
  • As you can see in the image above, one more digit implies losing between 2 or 3 tracks in full screen. Bearing in mind that the negative value would not be used massively, it could be a reason.
  • On the other hand, to fix the missing negative value, the user is forced to insert more note columns, thus displacing other tracks.
  • On the other hand, adding a negative value would not prevent compatibility with songs written with earlier versions of Renoise.
  • Live MIDI recording would only accept positive delay values. So adding the negative value wouldn’t make much sense in this case.

Note that the value +70 on the top line is not equal to -70 on the reference line.

Edit: wow @Neuro_No_Neuro has been ahead of me explaining more or less the same.

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Would cool to have a range from -80 to 7F or so (Could be even -FF to FF then). The “-” sign does not look too bad in the pattern either. But it requires a lot of special case treatment in Renoise pattern logic, also pattern line processing logic maybe… So might not be worth the effort?

You also can negative delay the whole track and then add some note delays.

I use this tool for more comfort usually then:
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which tool?

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