New Tool (2.8) Duplex: Grid Pie


(danoise) #181

phooka, thanks for reporting this. It seems to be the result of a complex interplay between the Navigator and Grid Pie

Basically, you are able to jump around inside patterns with continuous playback.
However, the first position is special since it will (when you are pressing the button just when exiting the first block) jump to the last line of the previous pattern
This is then picked up by grid pie, and will cause it to switch to that pattern - which, in itself, is the way it’s supposed to work. But in this case, isn’t what we want.

I have to think about a way to avoid this - probably a hackaround which will simply ignore pattern-switching when at the very end.

As for the loop button being highlighted, this is just the transport telling duplex that the pattern is looped (the grid pie pattern is always looped, but using a pattern sequence loop), and nothing to worry about.


(danoise) #182

Oki, I think the issue reported by Phooka is more or less solved now.

Anyone who feel like testing the new release, or are simply using Grid Pie, go fetch the new version here (Duplex beta releases)


(phooka) #183

Thanks so much for the quick update danoise. It does indeed function properly now so far! now back to groovin :badteethslayer:


(danoise) #184

Finally!! Here is a version that has blinking LEDs for monochrome devices, such as the monome.

monome64 owners: I am lazy and have only made a monome128 configuration…
In order to display normal (unselected) content as lit LEDs, you need to tweak the palette. See how, in the “m128_GridPie.lua” configuration file

content_active = { val=true } -- this tells the monome to light up content  

4194 com.renoise.Duplex.0.98b29_gridpie_with_led_blink.xrnx


(dby) #185

Yeeehaaaw! I love it, no more need to memorize the whole layout of a song! :w00t:

To be the ungrate, I’ll put in another feature request immediately: Would it be lots of boring work to make the blinking synced to BPM? Perhaps linked to LPB, and/or an option to set like half or double speed in the config file. Of course mostly a cosmetic crowdpleaser, but also a little helpful visual feedback.


(danoise) #186

Would it be lots of boring work to make the blinking synced to BPM? Perhaps linked to LPB, and/or an option to set like half or double speed in the config file.

Nope, a tempo-synced version isn’t that hard to make - already got this logic sorted out in the Recorder.
On the TODO list…


(batcat) #187

Hi there

Big fan of GridPie here, and I’ve just discovered today that the tool is able to record pattern changes live into the song data - YES!

This allows me to do something I’ve been wanting for a long while - create a series of patterns in Renoise, then live jam them out in order to create a rough song structure to work from.

However, on testing this I’ve ran into some issues :frowning:

GridPie works fine in non-recording mode, creating aliased patterns no problem. It’s the session-record mode I encounter issues with. The manual says -

Finally, it’s worth mentioning that Grid Pie also come with a session-record mode. This is
identical to the normal recording mode, except that it will produce a continuous stream of new
patterns for as long as it’s active. To enable the session recording mode, enable song-follow
and edit-mode, and then turn off the pattern loop (which is enabled as the default when starting
Grid Pie).

So I arm playback-follow, edit-mode and remove the pattern loop, but strange things happen. Instead of creating a stream of patterns that are consistent with the originals, I get a broken up sequence of smaller ones. This is best illustrated in a screen recording I made -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUmxnESydY

You can see me activating patterns via the launchpad, and a block of several new pattern sets being created at once instead of one. This behaviour seems to happen near the end of pattern playback.

Am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug? I could have a go at fixing it, just wanted to check it’s not me first. Thanks!

System info -

Windows 10 Pro

Renoise 3.1 64-bit

Launchpad Mini


(danoise) #188

Hey, good to hear you are using (well, WANT to use ) Grid Pie for sketching/jamming out a song structure.

I’ll take a look at the tool to see what goes wrong. Certainly looks strange…


(batcat) #189

Hey, good to hear you are using (well, WANT to use ) Grid Pie for sketching/jamming out a song structure.

I’ll take a look at the tool to see what goes wrong. Certainly looks strange…

Thanks for the help danoise :slight_smile:

By the way, this happens in multiple projects I have - not just the one. So I think it’s either a problem with my setup, or the tool itself.


(Borodin) #190

Was there ever a solution found for this? I’ve started using Grid Pie recently and ran into the same problem in the session-recording mode.


(Niklas Herlyn) #191

Hello Community,
I am using a Launchpad mini that I am trying to set up with Gridpie. Sadly, when I am running Jack (no problem with Alsa) the Playback transport button flashes violently.

I went through the lua configuration file and through the default parameters but no change seemed to make a difference.
I wouldn’t believe that it is a bug, I probably have something setup in a bad way.
What is it and how can I find some kind of log file that helps you guys figure out what my pc is doing?

@danoise

Thanks in advance,
Prinz

edit 1
I should mention that the problem occurs for playback mode only, when I tick “Run” in the Launchpads Gridpie Tab in Duplex Browser

edit 2
okay so I checked and it apparently affects not only the Launchpad but all devices when using the with GridPie

edit3

this is the output of the console
Warning: voice manager received a process without a configuration  userdata: 0x0xfaa5778 (BrowserProcess object)

*** std::logic_error: 'can not assign an alias to itself.'
*** stack traceback:
***   [C]: ?
***   [C]: in function '__newindex'
***   [string "do..."]:22: in function <[string "do..."]:9>
***   ./Duplex/Applications/GridPie.lua:602: in function 'alias_slot'
***   ./Duplex/Applications/GridPie.lua:1873: in function '_toggle_slot'
***   ./Duplex/Applications/GridPie.lua:1732: in function 'toggler'
***   ./Duplex/Applications/GridPie.lua:2450: in function 'on_press'
***   ./Duplex/UIButton.lua:86: in function <./Duplex/UIButton.lua:74>
***   (tail call): ?
***   ./Duplex/MessageStream.lua:392: in function '_handle_or_pass'
***   ./Duplex/MessageStream.lua:187: in function '_process_button_message'
***   ./Duplex/MessageStream.lua:136: in function '?'
***   ./Duplex/MessageStream.lua:146: in function 'input_message'
***   ./Duplex/Device.lua:582: in function '_send_message'
***   ./Duplex/MidiDevice.lua:612: in function 'build_message'
***   ./Duplex/MidiDevice.lua:555: in function <./Duplex/MidiDevice.lua:202>

FINAL EDIT
installing jack1, removing jack2 and jack2-dbus fixed the problem reliably


(Borodin) #194

@danoise Were you ever able to take a look at the bug @batcat mentioned above? I’m also really excited to use Grid Pie to jam out some basic arrangements, but this issue makes it impossible, unfortunately.


(danoise) #195

@Borodin I didn’t - I’ve become a father and haven’t really got any time for maintaining this tool any more.
Like @batcat mentioned, the Grid Pie tool is mostly working fine but the session recording has some issues.And the session recording unfortunately is going to, well, most likely remain broken. It’s a half-baked solution I came up with, and is also part of my motivation to invest time into the xStream tool - written from scratch with live recording in mind.

It would be lovely if xStream could be bridged with Duplex (visual feedback and MIDI handling via Duplex, everything else handled by xStream). That, to me, would be a very flexible and open way of doing things, best of both worlds and all that :slight_smile: