New Tool (2.8): Guru

Cornbeast · February 22, 2013, 11:43pm

Now I moved it to GitHub!

https://github.com/fredrikstolpe/RenoiseGuru

Guru does not read anything from the synths right now, but it’s totally possible to dump patches and stuff from the synths. If that answers your question.

Guru only supports sending each parameter by itself right now, but it would be possible to implement better bulk dump handling.

PnP · February 24, 2013, 11:54am

make please contol for Roland JP 8080 and Novation K station iam ready for donate for this work via paypal -)

gmohre · March 12, 2013, 3:34am

I recently purchased a used Korg Ms2000 and am trying to get it to work with guru. I can get Renoise to play back midi notes via my midi interface, but sending a patch to the MS2000 seems to have no effect. Are there any settings I need to ensure are set / a mode I need to be in? Thanks for the awesome tool.

edit: figured it out, had to SystemEx on Page 4 Section D of the global settings to ENA.

Cornbeast · March 12, 2013, 9:23am

Hello

Well, I’m afraid this is a bit messy right now, partly because I don’t have the time to work on Guru.

Grymmjack has made a Korg MS2000 sysex definition, and to get it to work he had to make some changes to the Guru source.

Unfortunately these changes have not been brought back to the official Guru code, so it’s floating around right now.

I sat down the other day and looked trough the modifications to see if I could just include them in Guru. Though they solved the ms2k problems, the solutions were a bit hacky and not generic enough for me to just include in Guru.

So, I started looking at the MicroKorg midi implementation, that is supposed to be the “same synth”. I discovered the MicroKorg did not have the same sysex implementation. So, in order to make Grymmjacks sysex implementation come be included in Guru I need help from someone who has as ms2k, maybe me and Grymmjack should work this out in a PM.

However, there is another solution. To make a MIDI CC implementation.

If you look at the ms2k manual, page 65, “Front panel knob/key control change assignments”. All these parameters are super simple to implement for the current version of Guru, and they are the same for the MicroKorg. So, by implementing this you would have basic voice using Guru. No sequencer and stuff, and not all parameters, but if it’s good enough for you? I actually started with the CC implementation, and you can take over, it will be simple, you just need a few hours.

ms2k manual

How to create Guru synth definition

1113 · March 12, 2013, 9:00pm

Hi there,

Thanks to Cornbeast’s efforts and Dan P’s help in testing, I’m able to provide a synth definition for the Waldorf Blofeld. Attached to this post, you will find two versions: Waldorf_Blofeld.lua and Waldorf_Blofeld_small.lua. The first one will provide the best overview over all parameters while the second one tries to fit them into more tabs making it easier to use on smaller screens (laptops). If you are a proud Blofeld owner, please consider putting these to the test so we can try to get rid of any issues before this definition gets included into the Guru package.

Thanks and happy tracking!

Andrej

github.com

andrejkwadrin/RenoiseGuru/blob/master/com.cornbeast.Guru.xrnx/synthdefinitions/Waldorf_Blofeld.lua

-- Waldorf Blofeld synth definition for Guru

-- Andrej Kwadrin

-- last update: 2013-03-12


-- Parameter lists

local Oscillator_ShapesAndWaves = {"off","Pulse","Saw","Triangle","Sine","Alt 1","Alt 2","Resonant","Resonant2","MalletSyn","Sqr-Sweep","Bellish","Pul-Sweep","Saw-Sweep","MellowSaw","Feedback","Add Harm","Reso 3 HP","Wind Syn","High Harm","Clipper","Organ Syn","SquareSaw","Formant 1","Polated","Transient","ElectricP","Robotic","StrongHrm","PercOrgan","ClipSweep","ResoHarms","2 Echoes","Formant 2","FmntVocal","MicroSync","Micro PWM","Glassy","Square HP","SawSync 1","SawSync 2","SawSync 3","PulSync 1","PulSync 2","PulSync 3","SinSync 1","SinSync 2","SinSync 3","PWM Pulse","PWM Saw","Fuzz Wave","Distorted","HeavyFuzz","Fuzz Sync","K+Strong1","K+Strong2","K+Strong3","1-2-3-4-5","19/twenty","Wavetrip1","Wavetrip2","Wavetrip3","Wavetrip4","MaleVoice","Low Piano","ResoSweep","Xmas Bell","FM Piano","Fat Organ","Vibes","Chorus 2","True PWM","UpperWaves","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","Wavetable 80","Wavetable 81","Wavetable 82","Wavetable 83","Wavetable 84","Wavetable 85","Wavetable 86","Wavetable 87","Wavetable 88","Wavetable 89","Wavetable 90","Wavetable 91","Wavetable 92","Wavetable 93","Wavetable 94","Wavetable 95","Wavetable 96","Wavetable 97","Wavetable 98","Wavetable 99","Wavetable 100","Wavetable 101","Wavetable 102","Wavetable 103","Wavetable 104","Wavetable 105","Wavetable 106","Wavetable 107","Wavetable 108","Wavetable 109","Wavetable 110","Wavetable 111","Wavetable 112","Wavetable 113","Wavetable 114","Wavetable 115","Wavetable 116","Wavetable 117","Wavetable 118","Sample A1","Sample A2","Sample A3","Sample A4","Sample A5","Sample A6","Sample A7","Sample A8","Sample A9","Sample A10","Sample A11","Sample A12","Sample A13","Sample A14","Sample A15","Sample A16","Sample A17","Sample A18","Sample A19","Sample A20","Sample A21","Sample A22","Sample A23","Sample A24","Sample A25","Sample A26","Sample A27","Sample A28","Sample A29","Sample A30","Sample A31","Sample A32","Sample A33","Sample A34","Sample A35","Sample A36","Sample A37","Sample A38","Sample A39","Sample A40","Sample A41","Sample A42","Sample A43","Sample A44","Sample A45","Sample A46","Sample A47","Sample A48","Sample A49","Sample A50","Sample A51","Sample A52","Sample A53","Sample A54","Sample A55","Sample A56","Sample A57","Sample A58","Sample A59","Sample A60","Sample A61","Sample A62","Sample A63","Sample A64","Sample A65","Sample A66","Sample A67","Sample A68","Sample A69","Sample A70","Sample A71","Sample A72","Sample A73","Sample A74","Sample A75","Sample A76","Sample A77","Sample A78","Sample A79","Sample A80","Sample A81","Sample A82","Sample A83","Sample A84","Sample A85","Sample A86","Sample A87","Sample A88","Sample A89","Sample A90","Sample A91","Sample A92","Sample A93","Sample A94","Sample A95","Sample A96","Sample A97","Sample A98","Sample A99","Sample A100","Sample A101","Sample A102","Sample A103","Sample A104","Sample A105","Sample A106","Sample A107","Sample A108","Sample A109","Sample A110","Sample A111","Sample A112","Sample A113","Sample A114","Sample A115","Sample A116","Sample A117","Sample A118","Sample A119","Sample A120","Sample A121","Sample A122","Sample A123","Sample A124","Sample A125","Sample A126","Sample A127","Sample A128"}


local FMSources = {"off","Osc 1","Osc 2","Osc 3","Noise","LFO 1","LFO 2","LFO 3","FilterEnv","AmpEnv","Env3","Env4"}


local ModulationSources = {"off","LFO 1","LFO1*MW","LFO 2","LFO2*Press","LFO 3","FilterEnv","AmpEnv","Env3","Env4","Keytrack","Velocity","Rel. Velo","Pressure","Poly Press","Pitch Bend","Mod Wheel","Sustain","Foot Ctrl","BreathCtrl","Control W","Control X","Control Y","Control Z","Unisono V.","Modifier 1","Modifier 2","Modifier 3","Modifier 4","minimum","MAXIMUM"}


local ModulationDestinations = {"Pitch","O1 Pitch","O1 FM","O1 PW/Wave","O2 Pitch","O2 FM","O2 PW/Wave","O3 Pitch","O3 FM","O3 PW","O1 Level","O1 Balance","O2 Level","O2 Balance","O3 Level","O3 Balance","RMod Level","RMod Bal.","NoiseLevel","Noise Bal.","F1 Cutoff","F1 Reson.","F1 FM","F1 Drive","F1 Pan","F2 Cutoff","F2 Reson.","F2 FM","F2 Drive","F2 Pan","Volume","LFO1Speed","LFO2Speed","LFO3Speed","FE Attack","FE Decay","FE Sustain","FE Release","AE Attack","AE Decay","AE Sustain","AE Release","E3 Attack","E3 Decay","E3 Sustain","E3 Release","E4 Attack","E4 Decay","E4 Sustain","E4 Release","M1 Amount","M2 Amount","M3 Amount","M4 Amount"}

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github.com

andrejkwadrin/RenoiseGuru/blob/master/com.cornbeast.Guru.xrnx/synthdefinitions/Waldorf_Blofeld_small.lua

-- Waldorf Blofeld synth definition for Guru
-- (small)

-- Andrej Kwadrin

-- last update: 2013-03-12




-- Parameter lists

local Oscillator_ShapesAndWaves = {"off","Pulse","Saw","Triangle","Sine","Alt 1","Alt 2","Resonant","Resonant2","MalletSyn","Sqr-Sweep","Bellish","Pul-Sweep","Saw-Sweep","MellowSaw","Feedback","Add Harm","Reso 3 HP","Wind Syn","High Harm","Clipper","Organ Syn","SquareSaw","Formant 1","Polated","Transient","ElectricP","Robotic","StrongHrm","PercOrgan","ClipSweep","ResoHarms","2 Echoes","Formant 2","FmntVocal","MicroSync","Micro PWM","Glassy","Square HP","SawSync 1","SawSync 2","SawSync 3","PulSync 1","PulSync 2","PulSync 3","SinSync 1","SinSync 2","SinSync 3","PWM Pulse","PWM Saw","Fuzz Wave","Distorted","HeavyFuzz","Fuzz Sync","K+Strong1","K+Strong2","K+Strong3","1-2-3-4-5","19/twenty","Wavetrip1","Wavetrip2","Wavetrip3","Wavetrip4","MaleVoice","Low Piano","ResoSweep","Xmas Bell","FM Piano","Fat Organ","Vibes","Chorus 2","True PWM","UpperWaves","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","reserved","Wavetable 80","Wavetable 81","Wavetable 82","Wavetable 83","Wavetable 84","Wavetable 85","Wavetable 86","Wavetable 87","Wavetable 88","Wavetable 89","Wavetable 90","Wavetable 91","Wavetable 92","Wavetable 93","Wavetable 94","Wavetable 95","Wavetable 96","Wavetable 97","Wavetable 98","Wavetable 99","Wavetable 100","Wavetable 101","Wavetable 102","Wavetable 103","Wavetable 104","Wavetable 105","Wavetable 106","Wavetable 107","Wavetable 108","Wavetable 109","Wavetable 110","Wavetable 111","Wavetable 112","Wavetable 113","Wavetable 114","Wavetable 115","Wavetable 116","Wavetable 117","Wavetable 118","Sample A1","Sample A2","Sample A3","Sample A4","Sample A5","Sample A6","Sample A7","Sample A8","Sample A9","Sample A10","Sample A11","Sample A12","Sample A13","Sample A14","Sample A15","Sample A16","Sample A17","Sample A18","Sample A19","Sample A20","Sample A21","Sample A22","Sample A23","Sample A24","Sample A25","Sample A26","Sample A27","Sample A28","Sample A29","Sample A30","Sample A31","Sample A32","Sample A33","Sample A34","Sample A35","Sample A36","Sample A37","Sample A38","Sample A39","Sample A40","Sample A41","Sample A42","Sample A43","Sample A44","Sample A45","Sample A46","Sample A47","Sample A48","Sample A49","Sample A50","Sample A51","Sample A52","Sample A53","Sample A54","Sample A55","Sample A56","Sample A57","Sample A58","Sample A59","Sample A60","Sample A61","Sample A62","Sample A63","Sample A64","Sample A65","Sample A66","Sample A67","Sample A68","Sample A69","Sample A70","Sample A71","Sample A72","Sample A73","Sample A74","Sample A75","Sample A76","Sample A77","Sample A78","Sample A79","Sample A80","Sample A81","Sample A82","Sample A83","Sample A84","Sample A85","Sample A86","Sample A87","Sample A88","Sample A89","Sample A90","Sample A91","Sample A92","Sample A93","Sample A94","Sample A95","Sample A96","Sample A97","Sample A98","Sample A99","Sample A100","Sample A101","Sample A102","Sample A103","Sample A104","Sample A105","Sample A106","Sample A107","Sample A108","Sample A109","Sample A110","Sample A111","Sample A112","Sample A113","Sample A114","Sample A115","Sample A116","Sample A117","Sample A118","Sample A119","Sample A120","Sample A121","Sample A122","Sample A123","Sample A124","Sample A125","Sample A126","Sample A127","Sample A128"}


local FMSources = {"off","Osc 1","Osc 2","Osc 3","Noise","LFO 1","LFO 2","LFO 3","FilterEnv","AmpEnv","Env3","Env4"}


local ModulationSources = {"off","LFO 1","LFO1*MW","LFO 2","LFO2*Press","LFO 3","FilterEnv","AmpEnv","Env3","Env4","Keytrack","Velocity","Rel. Velo","Pressure","Poly Press","Pitch Bend","Mod Wheel","Sustain","Foot Ctrl","BreathCtrl","Control W","Control X","Control Y","Control Z","Unisono V.","Modifier 1","Modifier 2","Modifier 3","Modifier 4","minimum","MAXIMUM"}

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Cornbeast · March 13, 2013, 8:17am

Wow, impressive! Great work, I’ll make sure to include it.

CB

esaruoho · March 23, 2013, 8:33am

Hi, is there some massive list I can access to see which synths have been made Guru presets out of?

Cornbeast · March 23, 2013, 7:03pm

Hello

You can consider this as the list of “official” synths supported (more or less):

http://code.google.com/p/stepbrother/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2FGuru%20xrnx%2Fcom.cornbeast.Guru.xrnx%2Fsynthdefinitions

There are more that I haven’t included yet which you can find in the forum, but some require some hacks and quirks.

Here are a list of others that have been posted but not yet included, I will do that soon:

Walorf Blofeld - should work straight off
Clavia Nord Rack 2/2x - should word straight off
Yamaha AN1X - should work straight off
Korg MS2000 - needs tricky/hacky changes of core code
I have started MicroKorg definition, someone can finish it, should only take an hour or two…

Denim · March 26, 2013, 1:59pm

Awesome. I might be up for the task… would love mikrokorg support. hope to get time for this real soon!

Cornbeast · March 26, 2013, 2:10pm

Great, do it! it’s easy and fun.

Then just keep adding parameters from page 65 (page 71 in the pdf) here: MS2000 Manual

fluence · March 26, 2013, 8:57pm

I finished my Korg DSS-1 definition!

For the delay time parameters, I needed to go over 127ms, so I used the value_callback=MSB function from the AN1X definition, and put it in utils.lua. I will post it from github.

The definition is quite large in pixels. If you are having trouble fitting it on your screen let me know, and I can send you a definition which is smaller, and have the performance parameters moved to another tab.

I tested it thoroughly let me know if you run into some quirks.

Keep in mind your DSS-1 needs to be in play mode to accept sysex parameter changes.

satobox · March 31, 2013, 2:33am

OK, I finished my M-audio Venom definition (only for the Single-Mode).

I referred and borrowed some code from the “Waldorf Blofeld synth definition file” made by Andrej Kwadrin, especially for the Modulation part and AUX part. Without them, I cannot finish this definition file. Thank you very much!!

Well, Venom has the official Vyzex and third-party Venomed Editor already. If compared with them, this Guru file is functionally inferior a little, especially there is no parameter-feedback from the hardware.

But still, It is a pleasure that I can edit synth parameters using Renoise GUI. It’s quite handy.
Also I finally can understand “what Guru is” basically. Thank you for the effort for such great tool. />/>

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nyingen · April 4, 2013, 5:35pm

Is there a way to have Guru read in the current parameter data from the synth? That is, read the current patch and set the GUI appropriately? If not, I’m interested in adding such a feature. What would be the best way to go about it?

I’d really like to be able to tweak the built-in patches for my synth (Korg Prophecy), since I often want small changes to the filters, waveforms, etc, but the on-synth editor is completely terrible.

kazakore · April 4, 2013, 6:10pm

How would it do it when MIDI is only sent by a synth when it changes value?? Sysex (system exclusive) messages are much discussed through this thread though! Which is what synths etc do use to send their patch data over MIDI.

nyingen · April 4, 2013, 9:19pm

Yeah, Guru already uses sysex when necessary to change single parameter values on the synth, so that’s not an issue.

Most synths seem to have a sysex message that causes it to dump the parameters of the current patch. I imagine I could modify Guru to issue the relevant message, then save the response, somehow updating the GUI. The real question is whether such synth-specific functionality would fit well into the way Guru is designed, so I was hoping for some input from the creator on this. It would be very convenient to be able to tell Guru to load the current synth patch, and then make modifications from there using Guru.

kazakore · April 8, 2013, 11:23am

Again I will ask:

How do you expect Guru to do something over MIDI which is not supported by the MIDI Specification???

Or maybe you’re just not wording it very well…

nyingen · April 8, 2013, 9:18pm

Maybe not. I’ll try again. Sysex is part of the MIDI specification. Let’s say you have a synth that supports dumping/loading patch data via sysex messages. Guru could transmit the sysex message that says “dump your current patch” to the synth, which responds with a sysex message that says “here is the current patch data”. The synth def for Guru could, in theory, be programmed to accept that data and then apply the new values to the GUI, so that the GUI being shown would reflect the patch parameters.

Use of sysex by Guru is not an issue, since many synths require sysex messages to set individual parameters anyway, and Guru already supports this through its sysex templates.

The question is whether this is easy to do with the way Guru is currently set up, or if a lot of additional coding would be required. I suspect it’s not too hard, but I haven’t had a chance to examine Guru’s internals yet.

kazakore · April 9, 2013, 11:53am

OK that makes more sense. Your initial post said “Is there a way to have Guru read in the current parameter data from the synth?” and my point is that nothing can passively read the state of all parameters of a piece of hardware via MIDI. It needs to be asked to send the information and then will do as SysEx messages. So this is all down to how the hardware unit has implemented it (some you can only do Bank Save/Restore for example, not the current Preset only) if it has implemented it at all.

But as Guru does preset management and some work has already been done with SysEx it shouldn’t be an impossibility to expand it to do this, assuming you can find the literature explaining how the Preset dumping is transmitted. But still you can not really ask the question in such sweeping terms as you have done so as you are talking about something that is not in the slightest standardised!

ballacr75 · April 18, 2013, 1:03pm

Hi, is there a limit in how many parameters can be placed in a group or section inside a Guru synth definition? because I can’t find error in this file!
thanks.

ballacr75 · April 18, 2013, 1:12pm

Sorry, solved!