I spent a lot of time browsing and listening to music from this topic and I am broken.
Is it really (with few exceptions) everything what people made now? Noisy modern techno-like styles or chillout-ambient background music without any content? Almost without any melody (riffs / themes / whatever you call it) so safe that it may be play on three keys? Itās like listening Reggae, Rock or Metal with one riff that repeats over and over.
No, really, instead of spending 4 hours of finding good instrument and preset that plays nice by itself, most of people here should spend that time to learn how to come up with some interesting. It may be crazy jazz theme, synthwave theme solo using three octaves or more, aggressive unusual theme, rock riff that is unique etc.
Less pomposity in searching for majestic sounds, more composing! Sometimes people want to just listen something interesting, not just testing expensive headphones .
Itās just my personal opinion. Nobody must agree with that.
PS. Iām just listening that āWelcome Homeā song and itās surprisingly nice and fresh, even if mixing/mastering is probably much worse than other songs here.
well, are you sure that āinterestingā represents same things for you, as it does for me?
this post is for sharing musicā¦ itās not about how complex your piece can beā¦ or how technical you can beā¦ or how many octaves your solo would haveā¦ or if it was jazzy or retrowave themeā¦ maybe some people like āminimalismā in that fashionā¦ maybe someone makes music to escape frustrationsā¦ and whatever comes out - is great and has great effect for the personā¦ This is not a composition contest. Itās for sharing your work - that youāve made - according to your feelingsā¦
iād love to participate in the debates whether something has āmusical valueā according to the many aspectsā¦ Era, melody, harmony, style, form, arrangement, production, mastering etcā¦ But this topic is not thatā¦ Itās good for getting feedback, but is not necessarily a topic that represents pure analyze of shared songsā¦ and music theory in generalā¦
If you were reading posts in the past month on this topic, you would see the same questions asked and answeredā¦ but heyā¦
I wonāt drift from the OP except this reply. I hope that you understand the idea behind this post.
Cheers
Sure, topic is about sharing music, youāre right.
IMO is nothing wrong with a little offtopic about present trends in music (I didnāt point any specific author or song), but youāre right anyway.
Exactly! Whoās not creating music according to the feelings? Sometimes it has to be hard, sometimes soft, sometimes straight, sometimes playful, sometimes simple, sometimes more technical, but always cool, according to your feelingsā¦
If I listen to my last three tracks (1, 2 and 3), I would say that every track is a complete different story.
I would love to hear some music without any content, never heard of its existence. There is music without any content? Are you sure? Isnāt the music itself content enough? I would say yes. Itās all about the music, isnāt it?! Or what exactly is ācontentā in your opinion? Songtexts and vocals? Let me tell you, thatās just one small part of the content, real music doesnāt necessarily need textsā¦ Or melodies? Yeah, melodies are great, but minimalism and repeatings, too. Depends on what you would like to achieve with it. I love ārepetitiveā music, it has so much power. But of course it has to be well composed. Yes, composed. You also have to compose āminimalismā, which often is more difficult than composing sprawling melodies.
In October 2020 we already had a similar conversation in this thread, check it out.
LOL
Do you know that everybody doesnāt have your taste in music ?
Nobody forces you to listen to music posted hereā¦
I donāt think this thread was meant to COMPLAIN about the music posted here, constructive criticism yes, but complaining while promoting cheesy melodic tunes, no thanks.
I already said that I agree that it was OT and you all are right.
But I donāt promote any cheesy melodic tunes!
For me thrashmetal or deathmetal riffs are kind of āmelodyā too. Or Prodigyās repetitive themes - the same kind. Or Jean Michel Jarre melodies. Or Hard Rock riffs. I just call it āmelodyā, because it is simpler that way. Every style has his own āthingā that makes it unique. I like to called it ācoverable songā. If someone can made cover of your song (for example) and other person recognize original listening that cover - that mean your song had that āsomethingā that makes it possible. I donāt complain about good technique skills or mix, or mastering here, or I donāt say that someone donāt spend lot of time to create his song. Iām just saying that music these days (and it was described also in articles writes by some researchers too) are simpler and simpler every year - less changes, less notes, less themes.
And that āmelodyā part, imo, is something people afraid most these days. Reasons may be vary. Good hard rock or heavy metal guitarist need few years to play well on guitar. Except playing good solos - this requires a lot more experience and time.
Let everyone listen what they want. Again, I donāt complain about any specific song here. I just wrote my post after spending really long time to listen lot of songs here.
You dont learn do you?I think you are very close to be banned, you and your band in a box music.You think you are superior to others, you still havenāt apologized for your last bad behavior. Taktik do us a favor and ban this sucker
You are 100% correct, but this is not the time and place. Itās like telling a kid that his drawings are ugly. This is not protracker days when skills and elitism ruled
good? for what? for your taste? that doesnāt imply anything at allā¦ maybe all 350 songs are āpure trashā by someoneās feelingsā¦
so what? i did study music as well, but does that make you a better musician? or a person?
If you need 25 years to understand that music is an expression, and not something that āshould obey the written rulesā. Think for a moment.
by my humble opinion (like iāve said earlier) iād be willing to participate in these kind of discussions, i just think this is not the right topic/post for that in particularā¦
And the things that you are talking now - the same things you were talking back in October as wellā¦
Wow, if you made so many songs and you studied so much this gives you the right to be a dick on the renoise forum, thatās for sure !
Didnāt know that the underground music production community was so toxic.
Is there any quality control in this forum?Will any of the admins take action for EatMe behavior?If he is not banned for a short time at first I am seriously thinking of stopping to visit this forum
As far as I know forum (in general) is a place when people discuss (using freedom of speech). Since music tastes may be vary and everyone may like different styles of music, the same rule should be applied to posts you donāt like. You may think his posts are not good enough, but after all itās just your opinion. On some forums some people thinks that person who have greater number of posts (or being member for longer time) has more rights than newbie, and trying to use that āpowerā instead of arguments in discussion. Well, I donāt know what great offenses he has committed in your opinion, but in my opinion general freedom of speech (standard in civilized societies) is more important than your bad mood.
No one is trying to regulate āfreedom of speechā here
to me personally the only issue here is that this is the wrong topic for this discussionā¦
you can say whatever you want - in the place designed for that. Why do not you go on the ābeta bugs & fixesā topic and ask the difference between bottom tetrachords in the minor/major scale? because itās not place for thatā¦ Of course you can do it, but in that case, we would not need the name of a topic/post at allā¦
Please make a post about the current offtopic here, because I wonāt reply to this in this post.
Donāt get me wrong - my intention is to make this forum the most awesome place on worldwideweb in every aspect!
Cheers!
You can criticize, Iām not a professional commercial musician and Iām not trying to prove anything. Itās just that I started this OT, so I decided to get back on track.
Can you share your process of making this tune in couple of sentences? Did you use Renoise or?
I like the both melodies & arps, specially the movement of the instrument coloration throughout the song.
i love the flow of the tune, itās smooth from start to endā¦ no abrupt changesā¦ But that takes away the āexciting-not-expectedā elementsā¦ the philosophy can go on forever (at least in my brain lol)
One thing that i personally would add is some sort of āclimaxā, be it by adding some spatial effects like big cymballs (crashes) or some big fx explosionsā¦ - but thatās my personal preference.
Thanks for sharing your tune! looking forward to hear more
