That was the idea behind the suggestion.
This might be a better idea, as it would be immediately obvious that this particular instrument is playing a phrase.
Also, it would be cool if “ghosts” of the phrases were displayed, meaning when a phrase is selected in the pattern, the notes that it plays are visible and, let’s say, semitransparent to distinguish them from regular notes.
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Aye. How would you imagine LPB discrepancy with the main pattern being resolved visually?
That is a damn good question to which I do not have an answer.
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Food for thought.
Another aspect to all of this is that I imagine that the Phrase selection command might be able to apply Phrases not associated with the current instrument.
Currently, as I understand it, you add Phrases inside an instrument and those Phrases are only available to other instruments by saving them as a preset and then loading that preset into any further instruments you may wish to apply the Phrase to.
Phrases are bound to instruments, essentially, through the key zoning paradigm.
My suggestion that Phrases ought to be selectable and applicable via pattern commands could transcend the afore mentioned limitation, and simply apply a Phrase to the current instrument regardless of the Phrases binding elsewhere.
So looking at all currently loaded Phrases as a pool from which any can be freely chosen and applied.
That doesn’t preclude the current regime of course, more adds to the flexibility by giving the user direct access to Phrase data, ignoring the current ‘packaging’ of Phrases within instruments.
youtube: LSDJ Live Mode Tutorial by Defiant Systems
LSDJ’s Live/Song Mode keeps pooping up in my mind.
I haven’t used it in quite some time, really fun and great arranger/live tracker.
LSDJ’s Command Tables and Phrases are similar too.
In LSDJ, I remember how I liked that I could organize Phrases in Hex,
I could organize it in 5’s or odd, even, letters, etc.
Although I suppose if enough time is put in, Keys could be just as flexible.
You can organize Phrase in Octaves, White, and Black Keys.
Great ideas fellas 
Quite aside from my specific problem with keyzoning, keeping controls pattern-command centric is in the spirit of tracking. It’s what makes it powerful in the first place.
I understand that Redux is looking at a different slice of the market but I think both ideas could be served without compromising either.
I actually really like this idea. I was thinking earlier how phrases allow me to do some of the sorts of this that I could do with my old Korg KARMA. Having phrases selected by note-on, note-off, velocity, mod wheel etc could make them incredibly expressive! (Don’t know how feasible it is though)
This would be awesome.
I am also wondering if it wouldn’t be nice to have an effect command that turns the phrase on/off …
When of , it plays as a regular sample …when on =phrase is activated .
To put it simple , automate the phrase ON/OFF button
Yes that sounds good.
I like the idea of an on/off button within the instrument. The addition of macros allows users to control the switch state from the pattern editor, although at the cost of tying up a macro just for that.
My idea is to add a phrase instrument (a Phraser[sup]tm[/sup]) that uses its own keyzone mapping for playing phrases using any of the instruments. It would work pretty much like another instance of Renoise inside of the main instance, but it would reference the instrument list of its host. That would allow all normal instruments to keep full use of their entire keyzones, eliminate the need for an on/off switch for phrases, and give performers fewer phrase containers (instruments) to deal with when doing live gigs (a phraser set up for performance could have phrases for everything all mapped across a single keyzone).
The trick would be in handling recursion, i.e. a phraser referencing itself or another phraser within a phrase… 
i think i’d like it if the phrase editor looked (and operated) like the instrument selector, in the pattern editor window. like just a straight up list of phrases, then then you can click on it to set the key zone, etc.
this would make it easier to use a phrase select effect i think, because it’d be more clear the “number” of the phrase, regardless of the range it’s keymapped to.
i mean, how else would you use phrase effects? i think it could get confusing if the lowest keymapped phrase was always phrase one.
maybe it could be a toggle with the samples list view in the instrument editor maybe? because do you need to see your list of samples and edit phrases at the same time? not sure. imo, right now the phrase edit button is in an awkward place. somewhere in that left hand box would be nice.
Now we’re cooking!
Great ideas.
I hate to do the ‘bump your own thread’ thing, but this has slipped back into the mists of the forum now … I wonder if anyone out there thinks it’s a)viable and b)a good idea in the first place.
A show of hands, if you will.
For my workflow it’s essential, but it might be that I’m missing a trick or that I am in some way mentally challenged 
So, a workaround for this problem had to be found.
For now my solution is to create aliases to my Kontakt instrument and then create phrases on those. Then you have unlimited keyzone regions without impacting on your Kontakt patch keyswitches etc.
Unwieldy but it works.
Good tip, thanks… I haven’t filled up the entire keyboard with phrases yet,
its good to know that whatever organizing formations I come up later will not
be restricted because of combined formations like your Kontakt example.
Count me in. Hadn’t noticed this thread and already discussed the topic in the other one 
, but yes, being able to select the phrase independently of the entered note would make SO much sense musically and from the point of view of project/instrument management.
Absolutely need this. I was just directed here after posting essentially the same solution. Famitracker has a similar method of handling phrase masks for instruments. I need those 88! hah. I don’t use kontact and I like keeping my instrument bank tidy. When phrases were first introduced I was thrilled but realized that they were almost useless for my application after learning about the keyzones. Glad I’m not alone on this!