Isnāt Renoise 4 like 6 years away
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^ found the optimist 
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check out the piano roll studio New tool (3.3.2): Piano Roll Studio v1.0 build 264 (January 2022)
looks pretty dope, and available now, if thatās what youāre after
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I donāt follow much of the talk about a Piano Roll in Renoise, mostly because I think the Pattern Editor is superior, and also because I use GuttRoll (a guitar roll) and ChordGun (a chorder plugin) to fill that need in my own playing. And when I do want a piano interface, I have a $200 piano keyboard MIDI controller sitting right on my desk.
My question, though, isā¦ whatās wrong with those input methods staying community-sourced plugins rather than a core feature? I for one donāt need it to be part of core (especially if itāll add cost and complexity to the app as a whole). Iām very happy to offer donations to those enterprising dev/users who create something valuable to bolt onto Renoise and make it more useful in more types of playing scenarios.
I know that, at this point, itās become a meme like āwhen are we getting piano roll?ā but I want to voice support to @ulneiz for creating an awesome solution that does not bloat the main product. Throw the devs some cash for their hard work, and letās reward more indie devs who want to extend Renoise in cool ways.
If I had the programming chops, Iād be figuring out how to make it a better tool for live looping, similar to the now-defunct ZenAudio ALK, but Iād be happy to buy a few coffees for anyone interested in bringing that kind of functionality to Renoise.
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Will there be a Renoise 4 ? 
Renoise 1.0.0: June 21st, 2002
Renoise 2.0.0: January 15th, 2009
Renoise 3.0.0: December 21th, 2013
7 years between 1 and 2, 4 years between 2 and 3.
9 years between 3 and 4? wishfull thinkin 
Because the tools API changes with every Renoise update, those plugins will need maintenance and most likely will be abandoned pretty quickly. I mean, even plugins written by people from the Renoise concept/alpha testing team are abandoned after an update or two. Having functionality as a native feature assures that they will work in future versions.
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Idiotic Developers! Thatās all what i can say to this! I surely not buy a Mac for this. May Renoise go to hell!
LOLā¦ Butā¦ isnāt Windows 11 quite shitty anyway and prevents serious work? Why not installing the original instead?
I think I bought in at v. 2.8 and am still going strong several years later for free. Best value in software, audio or otherwise.
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I really hope youāre joking, itās hard to tell.
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true. Itās my best software-purchase ever. Using it every day.
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Same hereā¦ Whatever the downsides of the glacial development pace, itās certainly an amazing value!
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ā¦donāt complain, make musicā¦
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Dude please , just go back to wherever you came from
I am pretty confused as to why people keep insisting on a piano roll. I am somewhat new to this forum, but it trips me out. I feel like Renoise is special because itās an exception to the 80-20 rule (we only use 20% of a programs features 80% of the time). I love that I am able to use a majority of its features in a quick and efficient way. It doesnāt feel bloated. Thats why I use it. When I start Renoise I feel inspired, when I launch Ableton I draw a total blank. I think it should be enough to have the ability to create tools for it separately without insisting on it being a core feature. I get that it might bring more users, but it would probably be better (in my opinion) to just keep it as a separate tool.
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Genuinely curious, why are you using Renoise when you seem to detest the core element of the interface? If itās the case you canāt afford to get a new DAW Reaper is very cheap and the demo is effectively unlimited. I would even sell you my licence cheap as I never use Reaper. Serious offer.
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Because i often use both imput methods pianoroll and trackerwindow. i often use trackerinput for triols, sixtols and some synthlines/drums. Most of Strings and Fills with harmonies and accords i prefer to input in Pianoroll. So why we should not have both abilitys? No one is forced to use input methods he not liked.
happy tracking