( Pls Help me Know (( how )) This Is Wrong: ) "So.. it's 2024 and we got no way to sync 2 DAW's to another" ( ? )

Yea, please help me understand how/if that statement is un-true

I am here… Just dabbling with all the different Sequencers, and testing this out, and it seems, there is No Way ( even with MIDI sync ) to have successful synchronization of 2 ( or more Major DAW’s ) together

This all started when i realized it was not even possible to sync FL Studio with Renoise, using MIDI Sync ( bc both DAW’s have some kind of SPP reception broken … and it does not work as intended either way )

So i am just wanting to see if/how there is a workaround / who/which DAW developer would fix what… bc this is like the most basic feature in the DAW ( we are talkin about 80’s tech literally ) that you would expect to work out of the box

So i did several testings…

Cubase to FL, Cubase to Bitwig, Cubase to Renoise
FL to Renoise
Bitwig to FL, Bitwig to Renoise

All with the same MIDI loopback ports

And the weirdest of the weird anywhere, is that only Bitwig seems to send SPP’s and only Renoise seems capable to receive them ( if/when sent properly ) from other DAW’s

Is this really so ? That there is no way to synchronize a DAW with MIDI in 2024 ? :smiley: lol… almost like hillarious, unless it’s not bc i am a musician… wanting to sync a daw to make music like people used to be able to…

Please would someone help end this purgatory ( for ( us ) musicians… ) ?

was attempting to upload a video, unsure how it would be possible on the forum

the Video, is about Renoise not sending the SPP’s or Playback position to FL Studio

All of the videos may be found in this topic:

https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?p=1977488#p1977488

sorry for my ignorance but idk the porpuse of midi sync or spp, you mean syncing the trasport? :huh:

I used ReWire in the past, it worked preeeetty well, shame that Propellerhead killed it in 2020, supposedly Renoise still has it so you’d just have to use an older version of Cubase/Logic/FL/Bitwig or other software that hasn’t deprecated it, and this is all OS dependent, it worked on Linux with Jack, on Windows/Mac you may have to change some settings.

Renoise has implemented Ableton Link but all it does is sync the tempo start/stop not working yet or Link is not what I think it is (I don’t have hardware)

I have indeed found a way to sync 2 daws in MacOS, go to Audio MIDI Setup > Window > Show MIDI Studio > Enable IAC Driver

Go to Renoise preferences set MIDI Clock Master as the IAC

Set input MIDI clock slave as the IAC in your other DAW, now they should be synced, in Ableton 12 an Ext button appears and you have to press it

Seems you want to control Renoise with the other program’s transport, so you’d set it in reverse, make renoise the clock slave

Windows should have an IAC equivalent

hii yes, thank you syncing transport

i made a video how Renoise Jumps the Song Position( s ) when playback is pressed

Otherwise it seems would possible work between FL and Renoise, however would have to prevent Renoise from ‘resetting’ the SPP messages when pressing play…

Link to Video:

links to all videos:

8.07 MB file on MEGA Cubase - FL SPP Not working

5.32 MB file on MEGA Cubase does not send SPP’s to Renoise or any DAW

6.86 MB file on MEGA Cubase syncing to Bitwig no SSPs are sent-received even in stop mode

6.19 MB file on MEGA FL Only Receives Start+Stop not even song pointers from Bitwig

5.94 MB file on MEGA FL Sends SPP ( Only in STOP Mode, then resets Status ) when Playback started, all SPP’s erased

4.02 MB file on MEGA FL Sends SPP to Bitwig ( only in Stop mode ), then Resets the start position on play

mega.nz

(14.39 MB file on MEGA) FL Studio syncing SPPs only on Stop - then resetting start position on play

5.51 MB file on MEGA Renoise the only DAW to receive SPP’s in 2024 ( and Bitwig the only one to send them properly )

There are some conditions, but at least we can synchronize Renoise with REAPER to some extent.

The reverse is almost impossible. REAPER cannot receive MIDI beat clock.

Wasn’t Ableton Link added to Renoise for this purpose? At least it is partly supported in Renoise, but I don’t think that song position is synced or so, just play/stop?

Bitwig, Ableton, Reason, Logic, Pro Tools support it

thakn you for sharing… yea i wonder how to sync renoise to the other DAWs

There are many trouble nodes in getting a DAW to MIDI sync.
Simply having a start point and a stop state for all DAWs connected to the MIDI network, and wanting to start and stop playback at the same BPM, etc., can be interpreted differently depending on the philosophy of the DAW The basic design of Renoise is similar to a loop-based pattern sequencer, It is a bit different from other DAWs because it is more like a groove box.
However, if you just want a wav file of the final track merged together, you can export it in Renoise and merge it with another DAW.
To summarize the above, syncing a DAW with MIDI is not a very easy story to describe, at least not very easily.
You need to clearly talk about the case, the conditions, and what you want to do in a limited way.

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