wait… stop…
Are you saying that would also process the fx chain on the instrument?
Edit = this is not processing the sample with the effects on a Renoise Instrument FX Chain. This only works for track dsp.
I just checked… You can press the button all you want, and still will not process the sample with the fx chain.
Renoise example = Box
Yeah, you did. But still doesn’t make sense.
Wizardry? Anyway, nice attitude in a massive tips and content sharing community. Not.
Yeah, might be better…
People are allowed to keep stuff to themselves, that doesn’t make them bad people.
If everyone here would be thinking like that, we’d be a forum full of not bad people with no tips and content to share.
Edit: While… don’t take this too personally. You’re for sure not the only one here thinking like that. Quite normal. Still might be worth to think it over.
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there’s something awkward about talking about what you won’t talk about on a public forum.
Regarding Redux, even if it isn’t released yet and we don’t exactly know what it’ll be like.
What we do know is that it’s built for bringing some of the instrument, sampling and tracking features of Renoise into other DAWs within VST/AU plugin format.
The purpose of this as mentioned in announcement is to be “useful for everyone to try out the Renoise tracking workflow without leaving your favorite DAW, or for Renoise users to bring your Renoise way of composing into other DAWs.”
I’d rather see the devs put the time and energy into making Renoise into something that’ll make current Renoise users think:
“Now Renoise has everything I need, I don’t need to look at something else to be able to do . I’ll stick with just Renoise forever!”
AND the potential new Renoise users out there using some other DAW think:
“Wow, Renoise just got this feature now that made me unsure to try it out before. I’ll give it a shot now!”
I know there are different opinions whether the current 3.0 changes and new features are to be satisfied with or not. Depends on taste and personal preferences. But I think it’s more important to work on features within the DAW itself rather than creating a new tool to build some small bridges to other islands when we aldread have Rewire.
Is this just me?
Hey, there is no need to speculate as to what Redux is, or could be: it is a 1:1 of the Renoise instrument, and as such it doesn’t take anything away from Renoise itself. Actual work on Redux haven’t even really begun yet - a binary file has been compiled as a proof-of-concept, so the actual development is still very much in it’s infancy.
But here’s the thing - apart from being a potentially good source of income for a decidedly niche software (Renoise is not exactly a big money-making machine), Redux has helped to shape the very focus of this release - and enable stuff that you can’t just do with Rewire (…). Just by imagining the instrument as a standalone plugin - as a sort of mental exercise - has revealed various ways that aspects of Renoise could be brought closer to the way things work, outside of “Renoise Land”. Redux could represent all manner of improvements for the many people who want to play the Renoise instrument using standard means of input (think pitch bend, aftertouch, that sort of thing).
Oh, glad to hear this actually! So that means you are still intending to finish the sampler in the beta phase. Good to know. Thanks for the info!
What exactly makes you think that the developers of Renoise (A tracker) could add anything in short order that would make the majority of musicians/producers stop using their preferred (Linear) workflow ?
Add to this the fact that the majority of tracker users are so anti linear that the devs at Renoise would probably lose as many users as they gained.
The developers here are not the fastest developers around (For whatever reason, non of our business) and what you are asking is on par with completely changing Renoise into something akin to Live/Bitwig (Not going to happen) and even if they did they are not 100% to get enough customers to warrant it (Mulab is actually not far from Bitwig in terms of features, doesn’t have a huge user base, guess what they did to stay afloat, that’s right a VSTi)
It often tickles me that users of niche products like Renoise actually believe that they can commercially compete on a one to one basis with other apps like FLS/Live/Cubase damn even Reaper, simply because they like the workflow.
Been away all Christmas doing christmassy things.
So here’s my first impression of R3b: mind=blown
Doofer: holy shit. It’s like live’s group fx but MUCH better. The possibilities are really endless with this. Have to study this more. Too bad the device in chain doesn’t get the "preset"s name
Instrument macros + controllable from track fx: o yeah
Proper ahdsr with ms timing - envelopes becoming really useful now
General interface redesign is really smart (instrbox attaches to either browser or scopes!) , both top and bottom windows have less reason to stay open.
Like many have said, detachable windows are of less use on multi display systems when mixer is not detachable. I think this part of the GUI sys should be rethought again
The whole GUI is more logically consistent with song making IMO
Convolver, holy shizznit, a 'earable reverb at last and much more
KZ editor now has overlap options that are way cool; actually working with drum samples / loops / breaks in one instrument will now be possible and perhaps fun
Status bar usage is really well done and leaves room for more new stuff
Zooming automation freely is nice
Most of the rounded buttons are good. I’m not sure if I like how the top row is now thicker (when not using scopes, I mean, the bar with the transport controls)
Haven’t seen the piano roll yet? 
O yeah, I almost forgot, the icons and lights in the instrument box are a welcome addition
Can’t imagine what type of whiner it takes btw to say not a single user has been listened too. A lot of stuff has been done.
What’s open still from my wishlist :
MIDI tab to affect PC keyboard too
Way to find out how much a sample was amplified when normalizing
I have yet to try out the vsti windowing stuff. I’m not sure how many of my tools I’m gonna wanna update
I didn’t say that they would do it in short order and i didn’t say that the majority of producers would switch their daws either. But of course i think that the developers of renoise are capable of making renoise attract more new people. I have much respect for the dev teams competence.
Honestly i don’t think that many here want Renoise turned into Live/Bitwig/etc. That would be pointless, the point is that many here love the layout and design of renoise and many of it’s features. But some just miss some “big” features that are available in the daws mentioned.
All of them that do not convert 
Totally agree! But beware, some users here are on a mission to have it changed back to 2.8 gui style.
Vsti is easy too. You can get to the editor directly from the instrument icon.
No you inferred that time spent on Redux was wasted time that should be spent on making Renoise the only app that it’s users would ever need (So performance mode ala Live/FLS/Possibly Bitwig, mix and routing options ala Reaper/PT and such, Linear arranging + piano roll ala everything else, Hard disk recording in a linear editing fashion ala everything else)
That is not going to happen and would take the devs a lot of years to achieve (Look at the joke Bitwig has become because they where silly enough to announce to early)
You also inferred that they could add something that would make non users look into using the app (OK name one unique thing they could add to Renoise that hasn’t been done in all the other big apps, oh wait that’s right a tracker, you know, it is already unique, if you want it in your toolkit you will try it, done)
But wait, the devs thought "How do we get others on board who aren’t really getting the tracker vibe, lets give them a big portion of the app to use in their main app and not have to waste extra development time on it (You do realize that anything they add in Redux gets added to Renoise right ? it is part of Renoise pretty much wrapped in a VSTi container)
The truth at this point is pretty obvious, Redux is an extremely clever step, they have modularized part of Renoise and by doing so have probably solidified the future of the app you love so much (Renoise)
PS i mentioned a performance mode above, to be completely fair here a latch mode could probably be scripted for MIDI triggers ? and that would be all that is now needed for a performance mode, we already have synced loops + Latch and you have performance mode, we now have triggering sequences via MIDI (Phrases) + latch and you have performance mode, truth is that when somebody writes a nice launchpad plugin for V3, a lot of people are going to sh*t.
However again coming back to Redux, Redux will be the better option for a lot of people for performance mode, Why ? Simply because running Redux in a sequencer and then doing the performance thing, you will be able to record your performances as MIDI sequences in your sequence for playback and editing (Redux in Maschine is going to be ones seriously messed up performance tool)
That is totally my mistake… I’m tying to quit cig smoking… LOL, I haven’t smoked in a month, but my concentration is totally screwed up these days. A simple mistake…
Fixed
It is a little awkward I suppose…
I think the software’s user base grows with Redux. I think the vast majority of producers nowadays, the fresh/new/next and younger generation age 16 - 30 have never produced with trackers, and Redux because it is a vst will become a very appealing entry level offering.
Growing the user base, and community is definitely good for Renoise.
Furthermore, for the people who are already long term users of Renoise, but also use other daw software, Redux will allow greater integration…
Not necessary wasted but it was a thought of mine. No we can’t have ALL that instead of Redux, of course not. But maybe ONE of the features to begin with, and maybe many users would appreciate it more than going to buy another daw just to get .
New features doesn’t need to be unique to appeal users as some of the big features in the want lists exist in the most other daws. Renoise is already unique and would probably be even more unique if for instance a piano roll was integrated in a clever way with the existing workflow of renoise and renoise as a tracker.
Sorry but your entire argument can not be taken as serious while you keep adding
You are making a wild assumption about the lost development hours on a plugin (Redux) that has not even been worked on yet and never backing up by stating what YOU believe to be the most important feature they should have worked on.
Ask ten users of any software what there top missing feature is and you will get ten different answers, so your is a major cop out
If you are simply saying “Piano roll should be added before they start work on a VSTi” then do so
Redux isn’t wasted time at all, it´s a very smart and ambitious move from the devs, where everybody wins :
-Other DAWs users, which will be renoised in their own DAW
-devs, with a market which suddenly grows from trackers/curious users to… Everybody ! And by selling a whole new product, they’ll get billions of dollars, girls and fame
-Renoise users, because I will have the possibility ( at last ! ) to share my stuff with other people who don’t use Renoise ( 99% of the world ), without painfully trying to make them use it… They will come naturally now 
Now the devs have to make Renoise 3 as intuitive as it used to be ( since 1.xx ) by improving the GUI, and since I’m sure they’ll do, they will get a lot of new users. The devs aren’t stepping away from Renoise IMO, this is just a clever way to make some renoise marketing by capitalizing on its originality, and at the same time being paid for it !
But since Renoise will get a whole new visibility, I think devs need to polish the beta more than ever so the new users will have the best Renoise experience… Don’t let them be afraid by the GUI please
Redux vst for people looking to incorpoorate tracking in their daw = perfect
But the most important reason why the majority is not using renoise is because it’s a tracker .
I can’t see why all of a sudden they would go berserk when redux comes out , it was the tracker interface that kept them away in the first place .
The new instrument design might be appealing , but they have to learn to use the tracker interface for that …and were back at the beginning …
I’m pretty sure the devs planned Redux to be be a gateway drug. Hope it hooks up some unsuspecting horizontalites.