I’m going to ask a friend to print the Renoise logo on a 3D printer, on a figure about 10cm tall. I will place it on my table. 
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Just a friendly reminder. If you have some money to spare you can always use your account to purchase Renoise again, even if your license isn’t expired. It’s a good way to show some unconditional support IMO, and putting your money where your mouth is.
EDIT: Or give it as a gift to a friend, who isn’t quite likely to jump the fence on his own.
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(my personal opinion) you are so wrong. If you do not have midi instrument, try clicking your notes into reaper for example, come back and let me know how that worked out for you.
i’m a schooled musician and i’m used to daws for quite some time, but when i found out tracker realm, i was blown away… straightforward composing with keyboard. mouseless.
- and the thing is that you have to feel comfortable like you do in other daw - to make it spark… not just fire it up and expect to write no9 symphony already
Cheers
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Renoise is great and we bought very elaborated software for an affordable price in the state it was/is. I cannot complain about anything. I very appreciate the last enhancements in Renoise. But every software can be better 
I don´t agree. Yes, it is possible to compose a piece of orchestral music in a tracker. But we have to talk about clarity, simplicity a how straightforward is all the process. Fortunately, Renoise supports multiple note columns in one track, that feature is great. BUT, try to record a more elaborated piano song. The result is not well-arranged and clear. A horizontal sequencer is better and provides more clarity and simplicity in terms of the above mentioned. For dance or electronic music Renoise is a great app. To have both approaches in one DAW will be a dream.
I understand your thoughts. If you have some money to spare, yes a donation in this way is ok. But I don´t think it is the usual situation to pay again for almost no support and for software with no development in the close future…
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- means that you are not comfortable in renoise - so there is no point on trying to be objective here.
Renoise doesn’t suit you? great, you solved your issue, move on. We who use renoise for all sort of stuff don’t agree (at least i do not)
simplicity = how well are you familiar to do specific thing?
try switching between ableton, reason, renoise and MPC in a day for a quick beat making, you would be teared up in chaos. There is no ‘simplicity’, there is certain way that application adopts which you can use, and choose which application to use based on your best/most-familiar/most-pleasant ‘way of working things out’
explain this? there is even a tool that does sort notes for you in this situation…
-and you really cannot compare all styles of music making as objective comparison of daws and renoise, since if you want to record your midi, you have to either adapt your style to ‘tracker’ realm, or just keep plain daw, it doesn’t make sense that you want piano roll in tracker realm? you can’t expect bicycle to fly you to the moon, right? you are just bashing with claims like these, like you do expect renoise to do all for you. Please…
If you say it for the “millionaire friend”, it is clearly an impossible situation (it was a joke). No billionaire would donate anything to Renoise. I guess you hadn’t taken it seriously.
For the rest, no one is suggesting to donate anything, but to pay more in exchange for something (such as a subscription), or even value more Renoise, or that is what I have understood. That is, a method that can be maintained over time and is fruitful for everyone.
But we know that these threads do not lead anywhere, and you already know why.
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I don´t think you understood what I said. Maybe because of my english. Are we still talking about orchestral or a piano piece? I have been using trackers for more than 20 years. I am 44. I feel very comfortable with Renoise for almost all types of music. Renoise is the fast editor (much more than piano roll) and clear if you use 1-3 note columns in a one track. What I wanted to say, it is good to have another view/editor of your notes and that provides the horizontal sequencer. Maybe you don´t want it, ok, you are a lucky man. Maybe I am so old or more demanding or spoilt.
BTW You don´t have to click notes so much if you play and record your notes using MIDI keyboard correctly for the first time in any DAW… 
No problem to edit notes in FL Studio (for my taste it has the best horizontal piano roll I have seen so far). Try it.
If I don´t like Renoise I will not use it, ok…? I came from FastTracker era. That’s why I choose Renoise. During the time I have used or tried FL Studio, Reason, Cubase, Reaper and finally ends with a combination of Renoise, free Cakewalk and Reason. But I have to mention again, to have both approaches in one DAW will be more straightforward process for me and I believe for other users too.
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Yes, talking about this topic without Taktik it is just chatting with no sence…
@Lemi Each person has specific skills with each DAW. From my point of view, I look at Renoise as an expandable software. It is not “only” Renoise, it is Renoise plus everything you can include through tools (which you can do yourself).
So, in certain situations, you can use the tools to add capabilities.
Do you want a metronome that can change the pace and the number of strokes on the fly? Create a tool.
Do you want a piano roll? Arm yourself with courage and create a tool.
Do you want to sort notes in a specific way? Magnificent, because Renoise is very strong here. You can make several different tools to sort notes as you want, even with live recording. Even for piano, you can divide the left hand and right hand by dividing into C-4 so that each note is recorded in 2 separate tracks. You can make tools to record directed notes on multiple tracks. That is all done with tools (to write). These capabilities are not offered by other DAWs.
This is how I understand Renoise. It is not only what Renoise offers under the hood, but there is the whole world of tools. And that’s why this software has value for me, because there are also the tools. If not, I think I would see Renoise as a lower DAW.
In fact, if I subscribed to a subscription for Renoise (hypothetically), it would be with the desire to see more improvements for the API. So I could continue playing with the construction of tools to my liking.
You also think that there are expert code users who also make their tools, and are only for private use. They don’t come to the forums to post them. There is a whole world here.
If you know how to record live track by track, you don’t need tools (in the context of my previous comment).
Yes, that’s why these threads often deviate, sometimes, from the theme of their creator.
What would Renoise have to receive for an annual subscription to make sense? Or for a fund injection system to make sense?
I can’t decipher everything that you wrote, but I’m pointing out that you can already pay more for Renoise than what is requested. It’s optional, though. That’s a pretty valid point imo.
Pay to increase your license period before it has expired?
This is good, but who does that? It’s like paying for something that should happen in a few years. I guess this situation creates uncertainty. People will look for more immediate results, don’t wait so many years to see the results.
I guess people are suggesting something more immediate, by looking at the time elapsed for each update.
Something like, “let me pay more, but offer me more updates, listening to the community”. I guess this sums it up. This is what I have understood in this thread. If I’m wrong, have someone correct me.
However, this should give users peace of mind. If this is optional, it means that some user, even one, will have paid for the renewal of their license before it expires. Which means that Renoise is going to have life for many more years.
If you have a license purchased for 3.0, it is valid for 4.0. What are they, 10 years? If you renew it, you will have 4.0 to 5.0. Is that 20 years?
That is the year 2,040. We can be calm then. I am not being sarcastic. It seems that this is serious.
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I’m pretty sure some of us have. Not because we expect results from it, but because we think that what we’ve gotten is worth more than what we paid. And also to show some support.
Yeah, I guess the market/product strategy is a difficult one. I imagine that it probably boils down to the product being too niche for sustaining a full time developer. And also that developer(s) might consider things good enough the way they are - partly a ‘fun/cool project’.
But obviously the project is not abandoned, and that’s good enough for me.
PS. The policy of stacking up licenses has been removed FYI.
I did not know that. So my previous comment is out of place 
Could it be that this is an oversight/forgetfulness?
Well, I propose something else. Buy Redux as a way to support Renoise. But let taktik know that you buy it to support Renoise.
I bought Redux this way, knowing that I was not going to use it.
Edit: @joule And what is it? Buy License Upgrade | Renoise You can access from the Renoise purchase page.
Edit2: You can upgrade from your personal Renoise account. It is not deleted!
Buy 365 Renoise T-shirts. It will support Taktik and some of them you can wear or you can change them every day… 
I agree with the OP. Taktik could really charge money for next update, naming it 4.0. Though Taktik for sure knows all these possibilities, so do the maths, obviously there is no intention to make Renoise a bigger commercial project than currently, he wrote because personal/family reasons. So I think you can stop wasting your time with thinking about this. Even a thousand posts will not change Taktik’s opinion here.
Like the OP wrote, I also would love to see fancy Metal2 GUI acceleration, but this will likely not happen, even Bitwig team, which are 6(?) people, needed over a year to implement Metal2 into their GUI (ok it is JAVA, so might be extra complicated), and these guys actually nostalgically love Mac. In reality, Apple just sucks for crossplatform developers, so why invest in the macOS version more than minimum.
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Taktik is keeping the forums and waiting to collect errors from Renoise. So the support is still there, as always. That is what it seems.
A little summary with all this… If you want to support Renoise, there are some interesting ways, since the business model does not seem to change:
- Buy Renoise, if you have not already done so.
- Upgrade Renoise License. You can pay to update your license with a small discount. If you already have Renoise, renew your license before it expires. This is still available. A good time to do this is when Renoise receives a new important update.
- Buy Redux. But let Taktik know that you buy Redux to support the Renoise project.
- Buy merchandising… t-shirts, caps, cups. This does not really contribute much, but less is nothing.
- Participate and help in the forums. The forums are important, and there is a lot of information here.
- Build and share Renoise format content (instruments, phrases, libraries). In short, create content for Renoise and show it. It is not even necessary to share…
- Build your own tools and teach them or inform others that Renoise is expandable (API + LUA tools).
- Expand “the message”. Let others know that Renoise exists! Especially to the young people who are starting.
- Use the means of your domain to place information about Renoise (blog, website, social networks), a link, an advertising banner… This is a very good way to contribute. Renoise DOES NOT HAVE ADVERTISING! Of course, this must be selfless.
Maintaining Renonise is not just a Taktik problem. If the Community disappears, Renoise disappears!
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Now that you mention buy redux…I already own redux but I don’t use it as much as I would like
How dope would be to load renoise entirely as a vst in bitwig …Fack …now thats what I want so I can create ultra layered sample based instruments in just one track and use modulators there 
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I tried Redux in Reaper, but there is still the issue, that the computer keyboard is not working in the editor.
@taktik mentioned once that it is a Ardour or Reaper problem. But it does not seem to have high priority, so I keep using Renoise (and maybe also would if Redux would work in Reaper)
I have the feeling that the community is very active. Many people participated on Mutant Breaks and there have been really many Renoise related youtube videos recently. I also like the community here. I took a look in the KVR Bitwig forum where people post their tracks. In contrast to here there are almost no people commenting on other tracks.
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In bitwig once you start working on a phrase the entire layout of the keyboard becomes the same as in renoise so it’s pretty intuitive to work there …my only issue is to have a lot of vst windows opened to work on different instruments 