So, I never use phrases. But the idea of having renoise as a VSTi is quite compelling.
Is there a normal pattern editor/sequencer in Redux?
I mean, how are patterns edited in Redux? If the functionality is there to generate phrases then maybe it’s also possible to use regular patterns as well?
there’sthe teaser you should take a better look at that… (the answer is no) 
Amazing, love the new gui especially, very modern and user-friendly.
Btw are other effects changed? What about compressor or mpreverb? thanks 
Renoise can do anything Redux can do, especially with the use of ReWire. Besides having a nice, compact interface, the benefits for now seem to be that it’s faster to integrate the use of .xrni’s with other DAWs, and such projects are then more self-contained. I.e. you avoid having to load Renoise,keep track of ReWire routing, etc.
You can actually do more with Redux than Renoise + Rewire. Rewire has the limitation that everything from the slave ends up on one giant buss. So for me, I like to program drums in a tracker format but would prefer audio tracks and piano roll for mostly everything else, but I can’t do much with the Rewired audio coming from Renoise. I can’t side chain, and I can’t have different sends for different reverbs/other effects. Redux via Phrases will give me a way to route however the hell I want in whatever DAW I want and still program drums in a tracker with an awesome built in easy to use sampler.
I don’t use Renoise much if at all these days, but I’m interested in Redux. My workflow has slowed down a lot since moving on from a tracker, and I think this product can help remedy that. I do miss using commands and such.
My question, is how is this going to affect Renoise. Now there are really two different products that will be out but how will Renoise “one up” Redux going forward? And will we see parallel developments ala Renoise now has X feature, said feature will be ported over to Redux in version Y or will the features be available at or around the same time as frequent (lmmfao) updates?
I do miss the tracker but since Renoise folks don’t really want to tackle working with long audio files at the moment, Redux seems like a great compromise.
EDIT: I also think the UI for Redux looks terrific. Hopefully R4 or whatever have a great interface and not the cluster R3 is/was.
You can actually do more with Redux than Renoise + Rewire. Rewire has the limitation that everything from the slave ends up on one giant buss. So for me, I like to program drums in a tracker format but would prefer audio tracks and piano roll for mostly everything else, but I can’t do much with the Rewired audio coming from Renoise. I can’t side chain, and I can’t have different sends for different reverbs/other effects. Redux via Phrases will give me a way to route however the hell I want in whatever DAW I want and still program drums in a tracker with an awesome built in easy to use sampler.
I’m doing multi-out from Renoise into Logic via ReWire just fine like this. But have had serious headaches sometimes with ReWire… keeping track of routing, recordings, track states, cross-track relationships (meta devices), etc. There’s so much housekeeping with it… Partly to do with the fact that I have to spread things over several Renoise files from lack of computing power. Redux + Logic track freezing (a chapter unto itself) could solve some of that in my case.
Won’t stop using Renoise (via ReWire) anytime soon. Maybe some day if Redux instances can use plug-in effects and instruments, have some type of arranger, and lastly can communicate via some protocol to do cross-track stuff in or even between other DAWs. :)) Like you can do with Reaktor instances now using OSC.
@gova Wasn’t aware that phrases could have their seperate BPM’s. Or is it just the overall Redux instance? Going to be useful at any rate.
For me I hope redux will bring some kind of Instrument linking to Renoise.
Redux summarizes what Renoise is. A powerful sampler that uses a tracker as a sequencer. Still it will be cool to use it inside Ableton. I can already tell this will be more powerful than Sampler/Simpler.
no, In the rewire version inrenoise you have 64 stereo channels to send to.
Rewire has the limitation that everything from the slave ends up on one giant buss.
no, In the rewire version inrenoise you have 64 stereo channels to send to.
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Ok I just went and tested it out, not sure why I didn’t realize this before but omg whole new world opened up now.
I hope we also get to extract xrni instruments directly from an xrns without having to open it first, it’s a bit silly that it’s only possible to extract samples this way at the moment.
Will Redux be able to play renoise/tracker files i.e. songs inside of the DAW?
Will Redux be able to play renoise/tracker files i.e. songs inside of the DAW?
why on earth would you do that? i think redux is made to able edit and play xrni instruments in other daws. it is not meant to be renoise as a vst, but renoise instruments player.
i reaaly hope redux will not support vst into it, or tools or other external stuff, but will be solid sampler whitch with time will show a big middle finger to kontakt 
why on earth would you do that? i think redux is made to able edit and play xrni instruments in other daws. it is not meant to be renoise as a vst, but renoise instruments player.
i reaaly hope redux will not support vst into it, or tools or other external stuff, but will be solid sampler whitch with time will show a big middle finger to kontakt
Obviously you only want the sampler and not the phrase editor? How could it hurt you if Redux supports VST/AU - import for instance? I just got curious, since you expressed it like it was almost personal (“i really hope not”) etc.
That said, Redux being able to play whole .xrns songs may be a bit overblown as you have Renoise for that. I think I’m not alone though when I believe the ability to track in other DAWs with phrase editor, and not necessarily the sampler, being what people are waiting for in general. Sure, the combination is great but there are already samplers out there.
Obviously you only want the sampler and not the phrase editor? How could it hurt you if Redux supports VST/AU - import for instance? I just got curious, since you expressed it like it was almost personal (“i really hope not”) etc.
Well, phrases is a part of .xrni instrument, and for me is ultra useful for drumbreaks and some cool note effects.
i dont want any external vst support because i like solid clean approach,
if you made instrument once, it will allways work on any computer, no matter what age or OS it is, without - “shits not working because something vst is missing”
and why do even people want external vst/au support? for example you will use redux to load massive vst? isnt there more simple way to load your vst without loading it in another vst?
keep it simple, keep it clean. thats the way to perfectionism IMO 
Well, phrases is a part of .xrni instrument, and for me is ultra useful for drumbreaks and some cool note effects.
i dont want any external vst support because i like solid clean approach,
if you made instrument once, it will allways work on any computer, no matter what age or OS it is, without - “shits not working because something vst is missing”
and why do even people want external vst/au support? for example you will use redux to load massive vst? isnt there more simple way to load your vst without loading it in another vst?
keep it simple, keep it clean. thats the way to perfectionism IMO
Considering it’s not 1996 anymore and we have VM’s, backups, etc, I’m not worried. Redux will feature a lot that can’t be (as easily) done in many if not most DAW’s. Interface, modulation, DSP, routing, etc. It’s not just about loading plug-ins and I think on some level you’re aware of that.
Considering it’s not 1996 anymore and we have VM’s, backups, etc, I’m not worried. Redux will feature a lot that can’t be (as easily) done in many if not most DAW’s. Interface, modulation, DSP, routing, etc. It’s not just about loading plug-ins and I think on some level you’re aware of that.
No it certainly is not but loading vsts would just make it that much more special and differ even more from the crowd.
Let’s be real here - Are you just going to load instances upon instances of redux just to get a recursive loop?
No it certainly is not but loading vsts would just make it that much more special and differ even more from the crowd.
Yeah. To clarify I meant it wouldn’t be nearly the same to drop (effect) plug-ins on either side of Redux as inserts in a DAW, as having embedded plug-in support. Also, since Redux doesn’t seem to have MIDI out for now, how would you interface it with plug-in instruments (wait for someone to ask why you’d want to!).There are useful alternatives… like passing Redux audio out into some other plug-in like Melodyne, Pitchmap, etc. Or if the phrase editor has MIDI drag & drop support… it’s not like plug-in support wouldn’t be VERY useful. But understandable if it wasn’t (or isn’t or won’t be) a focal point.
@Rashinamu that would be very interesting actually. Phraseption. It would tax the system, but most DAW’s have decent freezing/bouncing/rendering options by now.
if its no 1996 anymore, than i guess all daws should have 1 common thing - getting shit together. most daws projects have samples all across hdd, some factory content somwhere else, vst folder, x32 x64 bit incompabillity. thats all results in crashes and a lot of precious time lost. i mean half of the problems starts with vst caused crash. no wonder more and more people moving into hardware and saying computers are unreliable, its not computers fault that it has impossible to manage all files and configs at once.
so…
Redux is available for Windows, OSX and Linux, in VST and AudioUnit formats. Your license does not restrict you to any particular platform, and is fully portable.
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