It would be enlightening for me if someone would explain the differences between Renoise and Redux.
What can Renoise do that Redux cannot, for example? And vice versa …
Any insight would be very useful.
TIA
Thal
at the moment it seems, the really big difference it seems is redux doesn’t have tools and vsts
Renoise can do anything Redux can do, especially with the use of ReWire. Besides having a nice, compact interface, the benefits for now seem to be that it’s faster to integrate the use of .xrni’s with other DAWs, and such projects are then more self-contained. I.e. you avoid having to load Renoise,keep track of ReWire routing, etc.
Well Redux to me is more of a portable method of creation across all DAW platforms as a decent sampler.
redux is a vst plugin - renoise is a daw
In renoise you might not be able to have multiple routings and phrases may not have their own BPM
The teaser trailer show some new stuff, that i think we will see in the next renoise version, too.
- digital filter with oversampling
- instrument modulation got new modulation target “drive”
- looping in phrases
The teaser trailer show some new stuff, that i think we will see in the next renoise version, too.
- digital filter with oversampling
- instrument modulation got new modulation target “drive”
- looping in phrases
i made a list
[details=“Click to view contents”] Mod and pitch Bend wheel
Per note drive filter(thank you,thank you, thank you(…))
Chord locking? (near the mono button)
phasers etc have a reset button and the position it will reset
dsp filter tweaked, now has oversampling, Digital filter, so no drive here possibly, possibly we’ll have a filter with drive as well, I don’t see the shelf filter mode…
step sample modulation set device
ringmod can be transposed and frequency is gone, we now edit the note…
no accordion
some things say kHz instead of Hz
each note has it’s own effects columnthat is not connected to other columns
no idea what the buttons near the pitch/mod wheels do
sliders for controlling the note properties
there’s looping in phrases
a place to edit instrument comments
some unknown button left bottom corner in the phrase editor
phrases have their own bpm
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The teaser trailer show some new stuff, that i think we will see in the next renoise version, too.
- digital filter with oversampling
- instrument modulation got new modulation target “drive”
- looping in phrases
Much better pattern font
redux is a vst plugin - renoise is a daw
No renoise is a tracker / a sequencer with integrated sampler.
But Redux is the logical step into the future. Redux brings (more or less) tracker style editing into “real” DAWs. The combination of the powerful sampler of Renoise, phrases and the fx-stuff could be really interessting for people who never came in touch with tracker style editing. Redux seems to be a really really powerful instrument in DAWs with never seen possibilities …
btw.: in the press kit (downloadable at the teaser vid page) there are some 1:1 screenshots! 
Redux will have multi out . I think this is a new feature ?
So, I never use phrases. But the idea of having renoise as a VSTi is quite compelling.
Is there a normal pattern editor/sequencer in Redux?
I mean, how are patterns edited in Redux? If the functionality is there to generate phrases then maybe it’s also possible to use regular patterns as well?
there’sthe teaser you should take a better look at that… (the answer is no) 
Amazing, love the new gui especially, very modern and user-friendly.
Btw are other effects changed? What about compressor or mpreverb? thanks 
Renoise can do anything Redux can do, especially with the use of ReWire. Besides having a nice, compact interface, the benefits for now seem to be that it’s faster to integrate the use of .xrni’s with other DAWs, and such projects are then more self-contained. I.e. you avoid having to load Renoise,keep track of ReWire routing, etc.
You can actually do more with Redux than Renoise + Rewire. Rewire has the limitation that everything from the slave ends up on one giant buss. So for me, I like to program drums in a tracker format but would prefer audio tracks and piano roll for mostly everything else, but I can’t do much with the Rewired audio coming from Renoise. I can’t side chain, and I can’t have different sends for different reverbs/other effects. Redux via Phrases will give me a way to route however the hell I want in whatever DAW I want and still program drums in a tracker with an awesome built in easy to use sampler.
I don’t use Renoise much if at all these days, but I’m interested in Redux. My workflow has slowed down a lot since moving on from a tracker, and I think this product can help remedy that. I do miss using commands and such.
My question, is how is this going to affect Renoise. Now there are really two different products that will be out but how will Renoise “one up” Redux going forward? And will we see parallel developments ala Renoise now has X feature, said feature will be ported over to Redux in version Y or will the features be available at or around the same time as frequent (lmmfao) updates?
I do miss the tracker but since Renoise folks don’t really want to tackle working with long audio files at the moment, Redux seems like a great compromise.
EDIT: I also think the UI for Redux looks terrific. Hopefully R4 or whatever have a great interface and not the cluster R3 is/was.
You can actually do more with Redux than Renoise + Rewire. Rewire has the limitation that everything from the slave ends up on one giant buss. So for me, I like to program drums in a tracker format but would prefer audio tracks and piano roll for mostly everything else, but I can’t do much with the Rewired audio coming from Renoise. I can’t side chain, and I can’t have different sends for different reverbs/other effects. Redux via Phrases will give me a way to route however the hell I want in whatever DAW I want and still program drums in a tracker with an awesome built in easy to use sampler.
I’m doing multi-out from Renoise into Logic via ReWire just fine like this. But have had serious headaches sometimes with ReWire… keeping track of routing, recordings, track states, cross-track relationships (meta devices), etc. There’s so much housekeeping with it… Partly to do with the fact that I have to spread things over several Renoise files from lack of computing power. Redux + Logic track freezing (a chapter unto itself) could solve some of that in my case.
Won’t stop using Renoise (via ReWire) anytime soon. Maybe some day if Redux instances can use plug-in effects and instruments, have some type of arranger, and lastly can communicate via some protocol to do cross-track stuff in or even between other DAWs. :)) Like you can do with Reaktor instances now using OSC.
@gova Wasn’t aware that phrases could have their seperate BPM’s. Or is it just the overall Redux instance? Going to be useful at any rate.
For me I hope redux will bring some kind of Instrument linking to Renoise.
Redux summarizes what Renoise is. A powerful sampler that uses a tracker as a sequencer. Still it will be cool to use it inside Ableton. I can already tell this will be more powerful than Sampler/Simpler.
no, In the rewire version inrenoise you have 64 stereo channels to send to.
Rewire has the limitation that everything from the slave ends up on one giant buss.