Sharp/Flat toggle


(delt) #1

A renoise-wide setting to switch between # mode (default) and flat mode… only thing different between the two modes, is how the names of the notes are displayed, ie C,C#,D,D#,E,F,F#,G,G#,A,A#,B -vs- C,Db,D,Eb,E,F,Gb,G,Ab,A,Bb,B

(it’s kind of awkward to track in, say, C minor with Eb’s displayed as D# and so on)


(maes) #2

that only works for major and minor though, doesn’t it? non diatonic signatures require a mix of sharps and flats:

would be great if one could rename the twelve pitches to any combination of two alphanumeric symbols. i have some old post about it here somewhere. :)/>


(vV) #3

Not much of use in Renoise, you need both types to get a bit an idea of which notes you speak of while in practice program-wise it is shit to realise though and easier to define just one symbol, an A# is exactly the same as a Bb. Only the hierarchical basenote has a different offset. If you want to output your Renoise song to paper then it makes more sense, because musicians having to perform this live will have an easier idea from which note to transfer to (from above to lower or from lower to higher). But in even that context it still is extra luxury on top of the symbol itself.


(delt) #4

Of course not always ALL notes are going to show up like they would “ideally” …but at least you get the jist(gist?) of the scale right.

…anyway, just throwing it out there =)


(Tronam) #5

Not much of use in Renoise, you need both types to get a bit an idea of which notes you speak of while in practice program-wise it is shit to realise though and easier to define just one symbol, an A# is exactly the same as a Bb. Only the hierarchical basenote has a different offset. If you want to output your Renoise song to paper then it makes more sense, because musicians having to perform this live will have an easier idea from which note to transfer to (from above to lower or from lower to higher). But in even that context it still is extra luxury on top of the symbol itself.

Even Protracker back in 1991 allowed the user to choose between displaying sharps or flats. Having a quick keyboard shortcut to toggle this would be useful from a visual standpoint, especially in Renoise where tracks can have separate note lanes for chords. Anyone with even a light musical education thinks of chords like C-E-G, F-A-C, G-B-D (not to mention 9th, 11th and 13 chords etc…) which remains consistent regardless if they’re major or minor. It makes it easier to quickly see for a variety of different key signatures. Other keys like G# minor/major are rarely seen; I’d much prefer to work in Ab minor/major.


(delt) #6

Very much +1, and this was the basis of my feature request. I always liked this advantage that FT2 and related trackers had over Scream Tracker, IT, Schism, etc. when tracking in keys with lots of flats.