Socials/media on the main website

Hi all.

First off, thanks to the Renoise team for this amazing software, and for supporting Linux in addition to the usual targets.

Now, I recently started using Renoise again, and I had to visit the main website, on which I noticed that the regular socials were featured (yt, fb, x, reddit, etc), but that no mastodon account was there. I honestly think that it would be worth the effort to move from x to mastodon, for several reasons, but off of the top of my head: it isn’t tied to child porn, it isn’t populated mostly by politically motivated users, it is decentralized (which means you can host your instance or use one in the EU), and you’ve probably got a muuuuch better chance to reach the kind of people who’d be interested in Renoise than on x…

Additionally, the rules of enshittification mandate that a non-negligible portion of your users cannot watch your videos (hosted on yt) on the product pages. This is regrettable, as it will likely hinder sales (I know that I’ll have to find a non-trivial way to watch the videos you have on said pages, as I cannot watch them on youtube itself).

I hope my post doesn’t come off as too opinionated, I’m merely writing this as a honest feedback, that I truly believe would be beneficial to the Renoise brand and your sales.

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I agree. There are still many large corporations, social media platforms, and users themselves who unfairly manipulate people for their own gain.
However, as you mentioned, finding a YouTube alternative with features like multilingual subtitle translation and auto-generation might be difficult. If one exists, I’d love to know about it.

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Well, I never tried any (not even the youtube one), so I can’t say for sure about the quality/ease of use, but Dailymotion does support subtitle auto-generation now, and even PeerTube does since version 6.2 (which has been released over one year and a half ago), via whisper.

I would recommend PeerTube, as it is also decentralized, supports the ActivityPub protocol, and is fully interoperable with Mastodon (e.g. a Mastodon user can follow PeerTube accounts, among other things). But it has a substantially higher cost of entry (labor-wise) than Dailymotion (which requires a paid subscription however).

Anyway, for those, like me, who need a proxy to be able to even just see the youtube videos, just use this.

What does that mean? Is it because it’s blocked by your country’s laws or something like the Great Firewall?

I agree on almost everything you say. It’s absolutely right that Google, X, Microsoft, Meta and whatever else US-american company we can think about is pure evil (no sarcasm here)

But: I highly doubt that the enduser cares where the video comes from, where the posts are and if it is hosted on an evil corp cloudserver.

Fact is: I use Linux for this exact reason.

But: First of all, the Renoise team is small, very small. And second: People don’t care for Mastodon, Pixelfed, peertube at all.

That’s not ignorance of the people but humans are lazy. Once a service works, they’ll stick with it. Vimeo always has been better than youtube (but everyone things, it costs money), Dailymotion had serious buffering problems in the past and now they have serious problems with copyrighted material. Threads by Meta had a promising start but now is even more right-wingy than Twitter ever was. Bsky is boring as fuck and Mastodon: If you’re just a producer, why would you care to use mastodon. Most producers accept root-kit-anti-drm-vst-installers on their machines, because it just does the job.

Don’t get me wrong: I would be the first to fight for a “evil-corp” exit but I am a leftist-socialism Linux-Nerd. On the other hand, I work for a small company which just can’t afford to find better solutions (we DO use teams, we use MS, our customers use YT)

The user cares if the “video” renders as a gray rectangle in the page, with an error saying “Error 153 - Video player configuration error”.

This specifically is the reason why I mentioned youtube.

Where exactly does this Error 153 originate? Is it due to browser compatibility issues? Or perhaps your policies and settings in /etc/hosts or filters? Or even the political situation in your country?

Ah, probably because it’s blocking the sending of request origin information to YouTube?

If that’s the cause, it feels like a legitimate request, even if it might not be accepted.

To give balance… What everyone needs is less distractions not more ‘media’ the internet is a complete toilet nowadays, combined with everyone’s ‘smart’ phones, TV & everything else it’s amazing that anyone has enough brain cells to create music or anything else…

Decent music takes ‘time’ unless AI is making it then you can sound like everybody else… The late Quincy Jones once stated that creating an album was like polishing a bus with a toothbrush, so in essence a single song would be like polishing a car with a toothbrush…

Fact is that tracker types were making alot more significant music as well as more 20-30 years ago on grim machines than anybody is doing now & one reason is that there weren’t all the media ‘distractions’, smart phones or other similar shit…

So listen… Growing up in the 70’s & graduating in 1979 I was nominated both ‘class clown’ & ‘most talented’ by all other classmates… Certainly I was best musician of all students as being in stageband, band & groups throughout HS & actual applying techniques… But was I actually ‘talented’? Hell no, I was certainly ‘capable’… The secret was that in my home there was NO TELEVISION so while others were junking out on brady bunch & batman I was playing or jamming to records, etc…

So what most actually need is to have just your machine, offline… throw the phone & TV in the ditch & renoise out like crazy, piss on media…

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From what I can tell, it is a mix of my uplink reputation (I have a static v4 in a residential block with lots of dynamic v4s), and my country.

It rarely works, and when it does, it doesn’t work for long. When it works, watching music/marketing/random videos doesn’t usually trigger the “Code 153” error (along with “sign in to prove you’re not a bot” on youtube, etc), but if anyone in my LAN opens any politically charged video, it almost always triggers immediately, and stays on for hours, days, weeks… So I don’t really even try anymore. I go straight for proxy services.

I see. That must be quite difficult. I apologize for only being able to imagine things in a naive way, having been raised in a sheltered environment, but at least within the scope of that naive imagination, I think I can understand some of how you feel.
This is precisely why, not just for developers but also as general users, it’s crucial to value open-source nature and high-resilience environmental characteristics like sustainability and decentralization.
Otherwise, if access to resources monopolized by central servers, corporations, or governments is cut off, it’s all over.

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That’s not ideal, but considering the geopolitical context, it’s passable. It’s orders of magnitude better than the situation of ICC Judge Nicolas Guillou. :face_with_peeking_eye:

That is very true, however, I’d like to add some important consideration from fosdem: