Some spiritual/religious talk about the dark night - involuntarily possessed and tortured by "scene" demons, does anyone know if it's a thing?

So this will be creepy pasta, please don’t troll or gaslight, I’ve already enough of that!

Hello Renoise community looking for some advice, as I’m dealing with an insane mind trip story which also involves this community. I’m currently again in a very bad place. I believe I am also Aspergers autist, and going for late life diagnose, but this is only part of the problem I believe. For long years I thought I was suffering schizophrenia, was diagnosed, nothing helped. I had started hearing “voices” of all kinds and experiencing what seems all the weirdest forms of mind manipulations, like something 24/7 hours a day external subtly psychologically tormenting and harassing me in very bad ways. In retrospective it really seems like human experiments, as if something tried to make me commit all kinds of destructive deeds with mind manipulations and to subdue my will with all the worst kinds of trauma control you could ever do to a person - by entering their mind and manipulating the consciousness. It is really like the worst sadistic human experiments, I’ve often wished I’d rather be dead than tortured on, however my faith in that this world was in the end created by a good God who would not let me down in the end always kept me alive, and I am glad even when my life is constant torture due to the visions I have.

And I always had this weird feeling that my case was unusual - I’ve never lost my awareness that the visions and voices are not what they tried to seem, that they are just like other perceptions or thoughts in my mind, just seeming additional to it, or like invisible hands at times trying to force and controlling my will, decision, thinking, imagination etc. Even when I was diagnosed schizophrenia, I was always aware of my state and described my experience as rationally as I could, always exactly knowing what was illusion and what belonged to the reality I was used, even when psychological torture of course will make you believe one or another lie at some time, you cannot avoid this after some months of being suffocated in evil illusion. Likewise, antipsychotic medications never eased my symptoms, but just rendered my mind a little more numb so the visions became a little more faint and I was much harder to bed caused panic and rage by the torment, so I kept taking them.

After many years, like around 2015, I started realizing what was the real cause of my problems, but it took me years to be able to understand in a way so I could even think or act out of it. I always remembered a scene of my past, where a girl had low key ritually abused me, playing with my feelings then making me sit with closed eyes expecting something harmless, afterwards I had a red liquid on my forehead, was traumatized, and made promise to keep quiet about the abuse. That girl had for sure a very bad aura and definitely deceived me and also kept gaslighting me with her friends and also repeated a similar yet less drastic abuse when I couldn’t defend at least one time. I believe I was drugged with something I didn’t know already that night, and the next day she led me to a friend, who gave me something to smoke claiming it was a harmless herb to enhance a joint, it probably was not, afterwards I felt like my brain was melting, I didn’t get high but only felt as if my thinking was completely destroyed. Like a sheep before it’s shearers I was dumb, because I somehow could not realize what these people were doing with me. Ever since I was sick and in part deluded and having subconscious visions trying to gain control over me with the worst threat and fear…but it was only subconsious visions going all the time, so I could neither reject them consciously, nor understand what was happening. The voices I heard demanding my obedience, always took reference to the abuse, which I started understanding as such only 15 years later. Well, something must have always protected me, or somebody must have lied to whoever caused these voices, because they always seemed to assume I had somehow abused the girl and promised a spiritual pact as compensation, which I never had, so no matter what they did, I always resisted and never followed the voices. 2 1/2 years later, during civil service as conscientious objector, I started hallucinating real bad and also consciously, but only nonsense stories, so when I soon looked for help and was diagnoses schizophrenia, I also believed in this sickness and kept wondering why other affected were so different like me, having irrational delusions instead of those I had, and unlike me also usually believing in what they had to see.

So in this place all the abuse unraveled for 25 years… I was bed-ridden for 10 years, then started recovering. When I recovered and started gaining a life, also by joining this and other communities for learning crafts by sharing the knowledge I had without expecting anything. All along the way, I alway again and again had, among the “psychological torture mind control experiments” these subconscious voices in my mind, as if people I had seen in forums etc. were trying to set me up, command and control me, trying to involve in in this or that publicly visible thing. I always subconsciously rejected the voices, because I wasn’t aware of any free will involvement, I really just wanted to be a free dude sharing my knowledge in a forum and winning by gaining inspiration and more knowledge from only that. I never viewed myself as part of any “scene”, so I went fully only self-responsible - while these “demons” always tried to convince me otherwise and set me up and tried to control me with the worst stories you could imagine. I always resisted, and believe it was also due to a higher help defending me in my mind, taking over it and denying all unrighteous accusations and commands I had in my head, making me reject any interaction with the mental things I was presented in my subconsciousness at times.

During the years this got more and more pressing, and more and more groups entered my mind competing, like demosceners from this channel, but also warlocks from mental illness and spirituality groups, conservative Christians, extremist leftists, even outright neo-nazis who would use me as a punching bag for their combat excercises in traumatizing and subdueing a person. All tried to subdue and threaten me, none of them ever talked a single open or fair word with me, even in my mind. At many times I saw what seemed like people informing or also claiming things from me, but always in a weird way exactly at these moments I was unable to understand and process what they said, and had to immediatley forget. Also again and again I sense something as if there were cast artificial mind states into my mind after such statements of other provocations, and it seemed to me as if there were intruders into my mind who would take “photos” of my mind to prove my voluntary status, knowledge, guilt etc. to me in single moments over and over again without me having control over it or these testimonies being truthful. After that, I heard lengthy threats in my mind that this was false evidence for satanic courts and they had me in their hands and I should obey. With such methods, I was and still am tortured 24 hours a day, even until today. Something else also entered my mind, and started protecting me against these things, removing them from my mind immediately and revealing me the meaning of the experiences, so I could keep resisting. And I mean resistance, during the abuse, there were also what seemed like “combat training” groups, where one part would practice defending me while the other would practice psychological attacks into my mind. It’s weird, but it’s crippling, it’s the worst experience you could have - like being abused and rendered mentally disabled by it, and then others come and defend you just enough for the abuse to continue, so I’d get mentally disabled on top of it.

With time, also the helpers revealed things about my state, which I don’t know whether they are true or not. Basically they told me, they are from God and they confess Christ, and that at least 18 different parties have been eventually given access to my mind following the abuse in the past, each of them trying to commit works with me as an involuntary slave (i.e. to make good for the past abuse which I had never done), while others seemed to work up an outright abusive strategy, of selling me to people with lies that I was voluntary or guilty, then putting all kinds of abilities and powers to my mind (it’s strange, but it really worked at times, while I was unaware to discern what power was mine or intrusive, and I never accepted or was confronted with it), to make me commit jobs which I could never know about, while sabotaging them all to make me fail, so more punishments (the voices told me some people have spiritual punishments in their minds they can realay on others who wronged them) could be put to me, and also I was told for each failed contract the contractors which I didn’t even know about could be “refunded” on my cost to gain a benefit, which meant my torture because I was basically “broke”, never having accepted anything spiritual I could pay with and also refusing to obey, being called for a “sacrifice” from the beginning on. Now I am being told, if I had accepted such a “sacrifice”, just yet another part of my soul would get owned and could be used for human experiments, and that’s what the refunds came from.

So…please bear in patience…these are the stories revolving in my head over and over again, and I know they are not necessarily true, even when I of course know that I can never be sure, well, after all what happened. I am basically agnostic in this regard, and don’t know. Maybe it’s all just my own mind, maybe it’s a single intruder who makes it all up (i.e. computer controlled mind manipulation, then now the cia will probably be after me for talking about it, making me seem as insane as possible to cover it up…). In the last years aside from the unnatural psychic experiences, I’ve also seen many smaller signs of a little too great coincidence, and developed different mental powers which I never heard about, as if spirits were entering my mind teaching me against my will by forcing me to react to torture.

Now this state also had deeped greatly, and I suffered way more attacks after starting to read the Bible out of curiosity around the year 2017. It really caused me a great insight, I am so happy to have seen this simple message of love in the words of Jesus Christ. But at the same time suddenly I started being attacked in my mind like 3-5x as hard, now openly in a way that was way too offensive to be taken as a simple mental illness by me. I just kept praying and reading, meditating and resisting. And something entered me and gave me the strength to continue all these years, and hope that I’d still get anywhere in life by overcoming the troubles. I talked about my problems with anyone I could trust, family, doctors, sought help in all kinds of public channels. I started confessing my faith and also teaching others what I had learned, this simple message, and the power I had, to debunk all the sad sadistic lies of modern Christianity, to reveal a true message of love within. This saved me, this invisible spirit in me, which was one with me unlike the others, kept growing and revealing the things in my mind which were hidden to me. After a while, I found a therapist who wanted to start trauma therapy with me, and I started understanding how the visions I had were all logically connected to the past ritual abuse I had suffered. All I was experiencing, was just a single growing story of the possible consequences of that girl abusing me and exposing my mind to magic without me knowing, while I had in that night openly rejected the devil, his demons and all magic right before she had abused me by putting that liquid on my forehead without my consent. This really freed me from the fear of just having a malfunctioning brain, because I could not systematically work against the constant pressure in my mind knowing the root of the delusions. I also started going to local Church and joining Protestant service, talking with Pastors about my experience, also Pastors from my direct family line…which is important for me for my spiritual recollection, as I am a grandson of a Pastor who was against Hitler, and who fled Germany to Africa to meet his also firmly believing wife in British detention camp, who also didn’t want to serve the Hitlers but rather the negroes far away from home. Meditating on my past, I feel this reconnection every day, and feel more and more spirits associated with my family history entering my mind and defending me. They don’t just practice, they make the demons cut their own evil and powers and the rings that bind them relentlessly, effectively destroying all they put against me. It’s like angels coming over my soul again and again, picking me up like a glove and then smiting the attackers after endlessly talking agains them and challenging them through my body. My poor wife is already very stressed, but I can’t hold it back, either the demons keep torturing me, or I allow the angels to keep smiting them by returning their evil so they destroy the rest that is still in them, that’s it. That’s the trick, you cannot destroy the weapons of the demon, but only return the provocations it does to you…but it can destroy it’s own weapons, so you must manipulate it back to do so - finally cut the ring that is holding their power or connecting them to you, and they’re gone, but it seems they fear it like death and also complain about it as if they’re killed by it.

Now I’m in a state of constant battle, and it still hurts, because the attackers are so relentless even when the defense is more than clear. I cannot do any work or make music or anything - as soon as the attacks pause, I can and then all the spirits empower me for the most beautiful work…, but then they come back and sabotage me and spoil everything, trying to overload me with all kinds of tempting works which I could never complete due to their torment. So now I resorted to no longer trying to work, but to trying to resolve all these problems fully, first. So this is my testimony so far

Now one of the trips I have, like as if forum people would have bound me, claimed me as their slave or partner, and try to command and require me etc, is actually connected to this forum. I write this not to accuse or anything like this, but just to clear up. In the past, often when I had a story going about a certain person or group being involved, openly talking to them about the visions I had and the idea they were involved, usually completely resolved that, after telling certain people I was no longer threatened or abused from that direction, as if the “demons” had to give up that story for the person telling me openly. So I also started entering the channels by which I got oppressive voices of that kind, and telling my story to make sure nothing is unspoken and nobody can claim I was voluntarily involved and have somehow accepted staying silent about it. Every time I do, I usually feel a time like as if lots of evil people harrass and curse me, also leading to bad incidents in my life usually, but afterwards I usually feel as if another ring in my heart was cut for it to be just a little more free again. So here I go:

So this is not a direct calling or ssth. like this, but if anyone knows what goes in this scene, and there is or is not anything going, please tell me if this is reasonable or not. The voices suggested me there were people here, who wanted to give me chance or something like that, I don’t know. I was again and again urged to enter the MBC contests etc., also did independent of my visions, because I simply like Renoise and art. But it was something unhealthy. I was once a member of ircnet #trax and other channels end of the 90s…my nickname was “Gabhonga”, but I was never scene-involved, I was just a crazy pothead talking about pot and tracker music at times, using it as a hobby and not being part of scene. But I’m told by the voices, that people connected to this would have dealt this to me, and claimed they had an open talk with me agreeing on it, when it never happened. I am told this is a big thing with known figures from back then (not giving any names so nobody has to have a paniq attack), and also people who are tactically yielding infrastructure to the scene somehow are involved. I was told, they wanted to bring me powers to make good for my mental disability and give me access to art demons, giving me a “scene spirit”. I have of course to reject, as I wanted to keep my soul and abilities pure for God, and could not accept demons or any other power than the Holy Spirit which I believe indwells me and is more than sufficient for anything I’d ever want.

So now this escalated somehow when I first wanted to join MBC, but then realized I need to take it slow and the time for more urgent matters to be fixed in my life…I got attacked heavily after declaring that I wouldn’t take part, as if others had already arranged something they could not turn back without telling me, and now had problems causing something bad for all involved. Now I see scenes in my head of angry people challenging each other and me over some kinds of fake deals that were spoken over me, and that somebody in the scene had claimed I was in and there was talk and agreements, when there were not. Also I experience as if being cursed in wrath again, with voices threatening me ppl. from here would once again take revenge against me instead of on those lying about me. When you know anything about this please tell me, like this is not happening and you know, whatever. Even when you can’t or wouldn’t, writing this would already relieve me knowing such a story couldn’t continue in the hidden, but only fade or escalate. So I write this once again, because I saw visions suggesting it was something more or less known by other forum users so they could not miss it and could not claim they didn’t know. This is how you beat demons, by destroying all they put on you and by revealing all they’ve done to you and all the secrets they forced on you, until they cannot claim them over you as secret any longer. Now even when this demons was connected to cool “scene” art, of course I’ve since long time chosen for my Lord Jesus Christ instead, and must give them a pass and must make sure you all now know! Ready to discuss the Gospel I believe in and how I interpret the Bible in that regard with anyone interested btw., but don’t worry I don’t come to proselytize, I’m not evangelical or something like that but believe early Buddhism was also a tool by God which helps you overcome your sins on your own and is thus blessed by God - I mean look at those Buddhists who sincerely believe in respect and metta rules it all, they only do good, God would be a fool for not blessing them so they all glow in the dark.

Okay lengthy post, and a little weird maybe, but I know to resolve the trauma, I need to take it serious in parts and also try my best to resolve it. A therapist now let me down, well, I’ve learned now and can look on and also do my own work until I find new help. So this is maybe also a message for some of you, that such experiences are not always madness, but can have some real reason like a trauma, and can get better by finally being processed properly. I know now I can and have the best help I ever could get, the Spirit of God inside my mind which brings liberation instead of rules like so many expect. But it will of course never allow me to do anything evil or selfish again, or even to lie, and I had to vow upon my eternal destruction over and over again that I never was or would voluntarily be involved with the Satan, until I’d really rather die than give in even a single second - I for real never did, not even subconsciously, but they are trickster and try to pretend I did - that’s the price for becoming like that.

Hope this is not too much crap for you or insult some of you for Christ and speaking bad about demons - it’s just my own story and experiences I had, and sharing usually greatly helps me. MBC now has a great theme, humanity, and I would’ve loved so much taking part, but the sabotage has ruined my life already that much that I can’t. Hey, if you are really mages here and know who set me up and they traded you the access, curse them beyond all recognition, they never even talked a single word with me - the Holy Spirit promised me to soon cut ALL rings and destroy any works left in my soul, so you may release it before that point on your own, to avoid a greater backlash.

Have fun people, and don’t worry about me - I’m and will be fine and I just keep fighting these demons until they ate their own brains, for real, they’re sad sadistic cruel monsters and love the nazi people just like anyone else, only being eager for their different groups to fight each other and thus impede them all at once. Hope there can be a day, when nobody ever has to suffer from this. I’m now beyond suffering by this, I can’t even fear death any more or feel bad about my abuse or that of others - Jesus still left the spark of love in my heart, so I can feel compassion still, but if I gave it up, I’d know I’d be like dead forever from what I’ve been through. Kids - never accept drugs from people you don’t trust, and even your best friend can play a trick on you then take care and protect yourself. Just refuse and only keep to what you can fully control. This world is full of evil people, see, that best friend from my past with that red liquid from somewhere, has cost me the rest of my life. I’ll now leave her behind fully, she doesn’t want to talk to me even when I tried, I have to accept.

Now I talked out the “scene demons” torturing me and hope they will also leave me for good. I know true art needs no demons, and I’d be rather be dead than represent a fake art that was demonic and not mine. Oh, in case you believe it’s just drugs, no only take what I need to get by, and atm for example am completely sober. Peace, please stay clean kids, accept no peddler’s poison, I’m more than glad cannabis is starting to become legal, I believe it was the medium through which I was poisoned in the past. Work it out for real, train and practice your skill, do good and share your knowledge to receive back, you can grow up being a mighty artist on your own without such deals or drugs! I wish I was left alone by these forces, then I’d now probably be a big artist, either full time or at least part time aside from the work I always wanted to do for the benefit of whole humanity. It was prevented so far, I’ve still hope but getting older… Don’t let them take your hope, if anyone messed with you like they did with me, seek help immediately, talk to anyone who could help you. The sooner you overcome the trauma the sooner you will be able to recover, for peace. Never give up your peace for anything, it’s worth more than everything else together, because anything will only be able to flower fully within this peace…never give it up, and never lose it by taking it from another one…I know now by Christ that taking this way, only means it would be take from you. May this never happen to you all, may you have the time to focus on your music like I no longer have even when I always wanted!

Hello, friend.

I’m new to the forum, although I’ve been using Renoise for well over a decade. As someone who is Christian, who has had extensive experience with psychedelics throughout life, who has a strong interest in theology and spirituality, and who has also lived alongside people close to me who went through situations similar to the ones you described, I feel compelled to write a few words.

Please understand that what I’m saying comes from a genuine desire to help, even though I do not know you personally, and that it is based on my experience with people I deeply care about.

First of all, I understand that your suffering is real, and from what you described, it also seems to have been prolonged for a very long time, which naturally makes everything even more painful. However, interpreting all of these experiences in entirely spiritual terms may actually be increasing your suffering and making things even more complicated. When someone lives under intense psychological distress for a long period of time, their perception of reality can become deeply affected.

From my own experience, psychedelic substances really can interfere with one’s perception of reality, and I would include cannabis in that as well (I smoked heavily for nearly 20 years, so I do know what I’m talking about here). Unfortunately, for some people these substances can cause very serious problems, even if for most people they may not seem to have major consequences. I personally know people whose mental health deteriorated significantly after relatively little use, and who only made things worse by refusing to acknowledge that possibility.

Because of that, the first thing I would say to you is: take care of your health as a whole.

1, Put aside any substance that alters your consciousness, and pursue sobriety;

2, Do not reject medical and psychiatric help. If treatment and medication are necessary, follow professional guidance;

3, Take care of your nutrition, make sure you are getting the vitamins and minerals your body needs and try to maintain a healthy diet. A qualified nutrition specialist may be able to help with this;

4, Take care of your sleep, this is absolutely fundamental. Make good sleep a priority, with a stable routine and consistent sleeping hours regardless of the day of the week;

These things alone can already improve your quality of life over time.

Now, regarding spirituality, I will be honest. I believe Christian spirituality should be grounded in sobriety and in ordinary daily life, it should be something concrete. What I mean by that is that what matters most is how we treat other people, practising justice, speaking truthfully, offering good words that build others up. These are concrete and objective things that can be measured in everyday life.

I believe that focusing too much on things that go beyond this healthy foundation tends not to help, on the contrary, it often creates more confusion than clarity. In my view, Christian faith is healthier when it leads us towards humility, love for others, truthfulness, and stability in daily life, rather than towards obsessive interpretations involving hidden forces.

I do not want to enter into theological debates here, because I do not think that would genuinely help you. What I do want to say is this, try not to focus your mind on obsessive interpretations of reality. Focus instead on concrete aspects of life and everyday living, because we human beings are limited, and ultimately we can only truly take responsibility for how we act in our daily lives.

So please, take care of yourself. Look after your health, trust your family and the people close to you, and seek help from healthcare professionals where needed. And try not to dwell on interpretations of reality that go beyond concrete life itself, because they do not help, they only make things harder.

I sincerely hope you recover and find peace.

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@hexrow thanks for your advice. Now I’m not in a bad position in general, it’s just the traumatic intruisions continuing since the abuse in the past happened, perpetually showing me scenes as if that abuse would continue in the mind, with the past abuse allowing countless others to enter my mind invisibly for me & actually torturing me or trying to oppress or sabotage my life.

So you say I should not focus on internal worlds etc. and focus on life. Well, I’d love to. I pray over and over again that the Lord may cleanse all that is external from me from my mind as I never accepted anything from it, to make me again as I was born, and it is fulfilled eventually but seems to take time. But these invisible demons don’t leave me alone - for me it is as if they constantly actively provoke and attack me and also force my will and also force-distract me and seem to be able to just remove (sometimes the most valuable) thoughts from my mind or inject theirs. So it’s like being exposed to active aggression 24 hours a day when not sleeping. I stayed rather passive in the first 15 years when I sincerely believed it was just a mental illness (well, now I admit it might be more, and also have seen enough spiritual signs to believe it can be possible, but I am of course agnostic of the true reasons for it). I had tried to just bear or ignore it, but only when I started studying the madness and developing active strategies against it was when it started getting better.

Likewise, since about 2017 I am attacked as if invisible spirits aggressively enter my mind and grapple me and mess up my mental activity big time. I cannot ignore it - like I said, I believe I am asperger autist, and my mind works differently, I have zero social ego and cannot understand ambiguities well, but high intelligence, and I cannot ignore external or internal stimuli at all, I have to see them all at once all the time. Additionally, this information is all the time in a subconscious layer of the mind, which is there and at the same time not, I cannot remember these things easily or consciously control them, so I am exposed all the time. This also makes my visions like actual constant psychological torture, also because when distracted this way, I cannot do anything else done in the mean time, as an autistic person I can only work in full silence and thus currently had to abandon all my music and arts projects, these voices simply constantly prevent my work. So I resorted to training mental combat and meditation, and it helps much more and gained me back a freedom which I was close to losing my wits to. Meditation became impossibly hard for me after a time of the attacks constantly raising the subconscious pressure, but then I literally trained all day for a full year to counter any aggressive intrusion with a judo-like technique to make the attacker sever their own mental facilities they’d harass me with, and it strangely worked, I now just can kick out some of these bastards by deliberately destroying the power that allows them to watch or chastise me, and now I have a little more peace.

I tell you, now the last 4 years were especially full of terror for me, because as I experience it like different groups peddling the access to me and doing their evil works on me, since that time I also experienced as if actual neo nazis or something similar entered my mind, trying to subdue me with the worst threats to keep silent (I just kept talking about whatever I experience, like I do about my experience once it surfaced to my mind since more than 20 years), and also outright trying to brainwash me from the hidden back of my mind with the most emotionally abusive methods, i.e. imposing a right wing ideology together with the worst control delusions on me incessantly.

I mean in the end I am even a little proud of it, I view myself kind of like a radical leftist in full woke state, fully opposed to capitalism and hierarchic authority structures, fully into emancipation and against all secrecy and non-transparency. Read the letter of James, then you will see that this thinking really is deep in Christ and is just a surface layer beyond the urge to stay culturally accepted within this freedom, which is why some of the Bible is so harsh, because 2000 years ago all cultures were harsh up to the point to cause you death for not adapting immediately. Just like 25 years ago, I at first resited all attempts to make me accept magical covenants or commit suicide out of fear of the abuse, I resisted these Nazi swines with all I had. And even when I had none left, I kept calling on God to send me Angels and believe he did and they gave me some more, they gave me to give it back to these cowards and they keep giving it to me as long as anything still touches my mind. This is great for one’s faith, when one suffered such injustice for so long, and then suddenly the support starts from where you didn’t expect it.

It did me good to see and hear these cowards explode and cry in my Spirit, but you’re right that life is about something else, after all we shouldn’t be proud of the spiritual things, but of the grace of the Lord which brought us the resolution to do unto others only as we would want to receive on ourselves. Of course I try to walk in this law fully at all times, avoiding all unrighteousness, always being ready to forgive and cast mercy in all regards, well, you know the Gospel like me I guess.

Towards your 4 points I can add some info. Now first I want to say that it is not the usual psychosis I have, but something else, all I experience I experience without loss of sense of reality knowing it is only visions which I cannot know are true or not. However taking them serious, allowed me to work up a big load of past trauma, and also to defend the way I do. If I didn’t learn it, I’d now probably already be dead or locked in a ward for real. Instead I married and started building a happy life in Christ, well, apart from the “demons” constantly choking me I have all I need, that’s the only thing holding me back right now.

Now the 4 answers:
1 + 2 - I only use things I know that help. I am in treatment, and use antipsychotics in a dosage that lessens the severity of the symptoms, but it brings no big relief and the side effects are horrible, so I resorted to only taking as much as is stil useful. All the voices, visions etc. permanently stay no matter what dosage or medication, just the intensity and emotional impace are lessend. Too muchg actually renders me unable to cope with it again.

Aside from that I only use caffeine at times (for meditation when I’m too wasted, or when I need to fix something in my life and am wasted), and I use (not smoke, vaporize/inhale or ingest) low-potency Cannabis in constant low dosage as a medication. I found this helped me after years of suffering, and while the other meds don’t reduce the symptoms, Cannabis does for me, and also gives me back the control over my mind, sane sleep, the greatest relief of the permanent mental and phyiscal suffering and cramps, the ability to socially deal with people without getting blackouts all the time, to bear stress in general etc. I really was like that, it enables me and allowed me to have a life, at all. Currently my symptoms are getting stronger again, as I make a pause with the medication to reevaluate the effectivity and documenting all effects also after picking up the treatment again in case my condition worsened, I plan 6 weeks at least. So I’m sober aside from the antipsychotic medication. The withdrawal, urges etc. are absolutely no problem for me, I’ve a jar with enough for a time in case I couldn’t bear my suffering or had a breakdown etc. My psychiatrist also prescribes it to me, and I also grow my own as it’s legal here and the insurance still rejects paying it until I worked up my diagnosis or tried all other antipsychotics until my brain left my body (I know they all fuck me up and give cramps and everything, I tried all I could tolerate in the first years, it was all similarly ineffective)…

  1. I live vegan balanced cooking almost every day, strictly no alcohol, nicotine or other drugs (I decided to never again in my life touch those, also I generally reject strong hallucinogens as too dangerous). Also walking outside some kms daily, planning to reuptake excercise soon as we just moved I got a little out of the routine…I was running 7km in a go in under an hour every 1-2 days some time ago until my back started hurting so I had to stop for a while - my health other than the trauma intrusions is great.

  2. yes sleep. Before starting to use Cannabis, I often either couldn’t sleep at all, or I was like 14-16 hours in coma every day, to still feel wasted the rest of the time.

The THC fixed this, on pot I simply sleep normally and wake up well-rested after dreamless sleep every night. Currently after withdrawal, all the symptoms are slowly getting stronger again and my resistance and self control also get weaker. I’ve also tested this in the past, probably in a week or two my sleep will start getting less restful, I’ll see how well I’ll do, I hope the therapy healed some of that in the mean time. Looking forward to the dreams that I will soon start having and remebering again every night, always missed that while using THC. Hope it’s not too many nightmares like in the beginning of my sickness, I literally had wake dreams where I was bitten, eaten by fungus or destroyed by all kinds of magic, like I know now it is possible to dream of pain so strong that you’ll wake up in sweat from it. If this gets to weird → I’ll start taking the THC again and hope I won’t run out of money for that stuff too soon.

Cannabis is really the one big mercy and graceful gift I had in my life. I have prayed and thanked God so much for it, so no offense, I am really not of your opinion that it is bad or dangerous in general. Overdosing the strong stuff is, but the traditional kinds or the one from pharmacists do often not have so many side-effects. Not meaning to support drugs, but I’m glad it is legalized in more an more places, because giving it to criminals means allowing them to poison something very noble which then hurts others instead of healing them. Cannabis in my life outright saved my life multliple times, by it’s effect or by weird coincidences. So you’ll never see me without that plant, even when I one day have to decide to no longer inhale or ingest stuff with THC. If anyone asked me what favour they could do me to worthily remember me on this planet, then yes do it, simply fully legalize it worldwide and stop harassing the poor people who want to use it. And take care of your own children warning them of the side effects like you should do with alcohol, and remember the people using it are no danger for your kids unless they do right in front of the offering it to them. Claiming that is the worst imposition to me there is, and it’s what the conservatives currently do. I hope they will be exposed for it for being ridiculous liars one day, even when it’s just cannabis, it’s one thing they are especially hypocritical about where I live.

Just thought to add this info for you and others, so you know what it’s about and also to judge my case more fair. I haven’t chosen to be like that, but I’m glad I now have all the means to ease my decades-long pain and still keep living some life. I’ve also been to therapy, but believe I had bad luck with a therapist who was overburdened with my case and had to cancel him protracting my diagnosis and actually therapy for a long time. I’ll soon start looking for somebody who might be able to understand me with more confidence than him.

Btw. I’ve really been shown signs in the mean time, the Holy Spirit is no joke. When in the Bible is written there are Apostles preaching and each hears the Gospel in their own language, it’s no joke, God has shown me such voices can be in anything, I’ve heard songs with lyrics in multiple languages at once. Also after reading the Bible, I started understanding simple laws by insight, like law of karma in myself, or something like a zodiac sign but real, and I can really identify people by external signs and behaviour and predict their personality…also my own…haha… Of course all this is not dependent on the medication or THC, I have it all the time, just without THC it’s incredibly tough to get through for me and doesn’t get better…with the drug I’m like constantly learning and slowly recovering and it really helps me getting things done, at all, being there for my wife, doing all my duties etc. Just work doesn’t work, when I’m not at peace, and I’m sad because I know I could and should work for our living, but can’t due to constant distractions, and now I see without pot I’d not be able at all. Hope the next weeks won’t be too tough for me, some Panama Haze is already waiting to relive me once the state settled and was monitored for long enough to tell the difference after the last years of mayhem.

So thanks for your advice and good wishes etc., anyone who comes with the right suggestions and some understandings helps me, no matter if I already heard it often, can never hear such things often enough in my situation. Hope you can also have peace and never lose ability to work, it’s really the worst thing that could be taken from an otherwise intact life, like cutting off the life line and the water flow to the garden, so everything must wilt and you can keep only the most vital things if you’re even wise enough to direct your flow, else the whole garden is wasted. Wonder where that water that used to flow to me is going now, and where all the poison I get instead comes from…

P.S.: of course I know cannabis can be dangerous for people with actualy psychosis, but I believe I am a different case or different cause of my symptoms, so it really helps me. In the past I was ultra cautious about it, also always was taught it’d harm me, but it didn’t, but already cured half of my problems even when there were big pushbacks in my timeline. I’d never suggest anyone with psychosis to use it, but for me it helped and was also big cause of concern for me and my doctors etc. I simply investigated it after finding the good effect on my sleep by accident, and then I discovered how much it helped me. If you’re psychotic and must believe in the visions you see, probably you should better not do it or it might send you to a ward after a time, but in my own case it worked wonders already.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and I’m glad to hear that, despite everything, you’ve still managed to build a life, maintain relationships, and keep moving forward. That already matters a great deal.

I also appreciate your openness in talking about your experiences. Even if we may see some things differently, I genuinely respect the fact that you are trying to deal with your suffering in a conscious and honest way.

Regarding cannabis, I understand what you mean about symptom relief, especially in relation to sleep, anxiety, stress, and general mental overload. At the same time, I still think it’s important to be careful with anything that may intensify patterns of hyperinterpretation or make it harder to stay grounded in everyday reality. Since you live somewhere where these things are legal and medically accessible, perhaps it could even be worth discussing options with higher CBD and lower THC content with professionals you trust, especially if the calming and stabilising effects are what help you most.

In any case, I sincerely hope you continue moving towards greater stability, peace, and quality of life over time. Keep taking care of your health, your relationships, your routine, and the concrete parts of life that keep us grounded.

I wish you and your wife all the best.

Thank for the good wishes etc. Yep, I also tried CBD and everything else regarding cannabis in 15 years, trying to find out how it helps best with least side effects. That’s also what hints me I have not the usual psychosis, but something else - CBD doesn’t help me but messes me up somehow. When too much CBD is in the game, the effects don’t do me well and I can feel ultra stressed and congested, and it doesn’t help my symptoms, at all. On high CBD weed (like 1:1), I don’t feel more sober, but way more side effects, feel sick, and the averse effects also last much longer. I tried pure cbd like up to 600mg which is a high dose, it just make me feel like I want to jump out of my skin, it’s very hard to bear. A little is usually fine tho… Also indica cannabis which is said to be more soothing for vulnerable people, just makes me all tired, numb and dizzy and I get lost in daydreams. Sativa instead, especially high in THCV, makes me feel more focused, sober and normal instead, gives me no daydreams or paranoid thinking, plus that relaxation and relief. Especially THCV does what other people claim from CBD, it lessens the THC effect signifficantly in low doses, it essentially just feels like giving me more stability and wakefulness when I use it. It’s all weird for me, I know, but I’m doing this research since about 2011 when I found out of the effect on me. Also low potency (<15%) means for me I can tolerate it with little side effects, higher potency pot can then in higher doses have these effects like closed eyes visuals or memory impairment, mind trips, vestibular effects, altered visual and sound etc. I don’t get such things at all with the way I use it.

Yeah, and illicit pot. Sworn myself to never touch it again in the past after I found some which clearly had RCs on it… From then on I only used homegrown of went to pharmacists… People take care, I heard more and more pot is really laced with that stuff, they just take poor quality or even legal CBD, and spray it with RC and perfume, selling it as haze or cali. Now that many peddlers mostly get batches from the darknet, it has become russian roulette if you don’t know the source, I’ve heard of drugchecking results in Switzerland, and half of the weed samples were laced with such crap. In Germany, such things are just covered up it seems to me, instead of warning the public, nothing of that ever seriously gets and media coverage.

And pot has also been the medium I had been poisoned with in the past, but it had been people adding extra shit and I am sure of that, the major poisoning I got on the day after the ritual abuse was given to me as “passiflora” to make a joint stronger, but I guess after many years in hindsight, that it may have been hydragena flowers, maybe even laced with something even more evil, crippling me for the rest of my life. Still know the feeling and the date when it happened, girl told me she only wanted to smoke a joint with her friend in the next city, both she the day before and him when we smoked made remarks while smoking how you can just pretend to inhale without others noticing, they were real sadists I guess and maybe just wanted to pull some weird 764 shit on me with just drugging and gaslighting me…I’ll never know I guess. Due to the pot being the medium, I didn’t use it for almost a decade and went real sick during this time, getting panic attack when the effect kicked in for memory of the past…later I found small dosage helps, and that also with time cured that trauma.

So you see, I’ve done much work to find out, and that’s also why I currently make that pause again, to see how it developed. So far it’s exactly like I expected. Some weeks to go now, I should try to make a dream diary, it’s like a luxury for me now to have & remember them…

Personally, I imagine that schizophrenia is a condition that could be described as a dopamine excess. I suspect that the euphoria caused by dopamine and other substances leads to an abnormal overdevelopment of the ability to make analogies and associations.
And I believe that medications for schizophrenia generally work to suppress these effects.
While telepathy, ghosts, and the voice of God may diminish, the euphoria will also fade, likely leading to an unpleasant state where you feel like an “emotionless robot.”
Furthermore, I believe that once you step away from treatment and begin pursuing your own path, you are likely to end up in a situation similar to that of Terry A. Davis. While this would almost certainly lead to a tragic outcome, the process itself might be pleasurable for you, as you can immerse yourself in actions driven by a sense of heroism or conviction.
In any case, we cannot ultimately escape being slaves to our brain chemicals.
However, deeply recognizing this fact is a fundamental technique for reducing problems related to brain chemicals.
It may also be helpful to realize that your own experiences are trivial compared to those of religious greats (for me, this includes countless predecessors such as Buddha and Dogen).
If you feel that your own brain chemicals are in a practical balance, you might even feel a little grateful for that.
It may be quite difficult, but I hope your life goes well.
Personally, I suspect that treatment and medication are the shortest route to rebuilding your life.
I recommend finding a nearby hospital without bars on the windows and receiving appropriate treatment.
I hope that even a part of this text resonates with you, though I predict that will be quite difficult.

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Hey man, not mean to wrong you, but you probably didn’t quite read my terxts. I am diagnosed schizophrenia and in treatment since more than 20 years, but my symptoms are atypical and the standard treatments had no effect on me other than debilitating me in high doses. After many years I found other ways to deal with my pain, and my doctors support. Currently in process trying to rid of the wrong diagnose, I believe now it really was a bad trauma dealt to me together with substances which I had been poisoned with leading to my state of perpetul inner re-experience of possible consequences of that 1 abuse from the past. I believe I should have another differential diagnose and am not schizophrenic, but autist with real bad PTSD, and just had a therapist supporting it, but he crapped out after a while and I don’t know why…real bad situation for me now, dude started therapy, then just didn’t work with me any more and kept relaying everything until I knew he wasn’t really on my side believing me, but maybe just waiting for me to crap out or quit on my own, I don’t know.

So currently, after one therapist failed and outright delayed re-diagnosis, I don’t even know why, he never openly communicated, I am in process of trying to find another one. Also I tried to talk with the girl who once deal me the trauma so I could at least work with knowing what exactly they did to me and why, but she wouldn’t respond, and I can understand, it nearly killed me many times and even when I cannot prove it to the justice any more, it may have been a serious attack on my life and sanity, and it crippled me for life.

So hey, I just ask you, to not just blindly assume neurochemical causes of mental problems, it’s way more complex than that. While trying to overcome my sickness, I often encountered people labeled as schizophrenics, who after some point managed to get over their life situation and could overcome the sickness completely, even eventually being able to get off the medication without suffering. This is not so often, but I believe it’s because people lack the confidence to even try, and especially the external support that such a path often needs.

Just telling you again, please don’t too hastily diagnose people with mind trips Schizophrenia. It may also be that they are victims like me and suffering way bad trauma, that can be relieved by working it up and bringing the people a new confidence into themselves and also a new feeling of safety. But if you drug up a traumatized person like a psychotic, and lock them in the ward, you help their abuser cripple them, and that is also why I have developed to be a majorly psychiatry-critical individual. I’ve simply seen too many cases needlessly destroyed by this system, also cases which were definitely not insane but just awkward in some regards, and having this or that weird vision in their lives and telling them too enthusiastic. The difference is, a schizophrenic will believe totally irrational stories, and can’t tell them from reality, at all. I never had that, I always knew it was just voices and images in my head, that tried to seem like something, but I was always aware it is just objects in the mind, as if something would inject them incessantly. I didn’t believe the voices, at all, or in what they presented with. 15 years later, I eventually realized that all the voices easily fit into one big story which is based upon this one abuse I once suffered. So my next goal will be to find another therapist, who is able to deal with my case unlike the first, to work this up and go the way to uproot the trauma of the utmost friendship betrayal which I have suffered, which effectively destroyed my life 26 years ago within a single night.

Telling straight words again: if you dismiss somebody with such pains as “insane”, without testing their stories, you may help abusers render their victims mentally disabled and unable to be heard or believed in. This is like the worst thing you could do to a person who was a victim. Maybe you didn’t read my posts, then I’ll forgive of course, but if yes, please reconsider your views.

Also the antipsychotic medications, are blocking dopamine and sometimes serotonine… They simply inhibit neurological excitation completely, and block visionary experiences (Hallucinations). So what they do, is just tone down the whole system - schizophrenics can then stop experiencing the (irrational) hallucinations and loss of reality, but it doesn’t work for all. For me, it never worked, at all, these pills only made me very dull and unable to control my mind, at all, I was fucked on high doses exposed to the mental abuse in my head fully instead of being able to control or cope with it. It only slightly reduces the intensity of the visions, but also of my own mental capacities at the same time. I believe that the dopamine hypothesis is also wrong, and that the excessive dopamine is probably rather a result of the psychosis, and not the cause, with the cause lying in sometimes other neurochemical or even psychological reasons…but blocking the dopamine, really seems to take away the suffering of many people, yet at the price of loss of mental capacity, imagination, personality, other unrelated mental and physical health etc. Some of these meds can make (relevant zones) of your brain shrink by 5-10% per year (in total - with more modern types of medications it seems less, but still valid), and that’s no joke and not funny. Giving them to people who don’t need them, can cripple them effectively. I am now after seeing so many cases, a proponent of using these meds only when they are truly needed, so for fresh and acute cases, or such who couldn’t bear on the long runs, like the finnish “open dialog” model which had unusual high healing rates did - they only give these meds for acute cases i.e. for sleeping, and instead give the patients advice to sort out their lives, find stability and peace and purpose for their lives, only giving pills long run for those who cannot cope otherwise. Instead of locking the people up on drugs, these people really heal them, not with pills but by helping them break out their destructive life situations.

Sorry, it seems I didn’t quite grasp the distinction you were making between facts and fantasy.
It’s true that when patients are prescribed medication for schizophrenia, their levels of dopamine and other chemicals decrease, leading to a drastic reduction in “joy,” “motivation,” and “cognitive ability,” which likely makes them more compliant. For hospitals, this represents a very stable source of revenue. For unscrupulous hospitals, there is a strong financial incentive to diagnose patients with schizophrenia. There are a great many people (perhaps especially in Japan) who are falling victim to these financial motives on the part of hospitals.
If you’re not careful, it’s all too easy to end up confined for decades.
I, too, sincerely hope that approaches like Open Dialogue will become more widespread and that a treatment system will be established that allows patients to regain their trust in society.

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