The New Pattern Sequencer Design.

Oh really? I see two continuous 4 in the first screenshot… :)

Anyway, this specific area of screen real estate turns into boiling blood and big fights. If you want proof see post #7. :)

I’m all smileys, I was pro repeating patterns, and I’d rather not see this changed anymore than we have to. I know this is new to beta testers, and feedback is welcome, but you really have to trust me that this road leads nowhere fast. :)

Good times.

That wasn’t my song ;)

I suppose that using numbers makes scheduling a little bit easier, it should be “improved” with the help of numbers, instead of a “playback” symbol. No need to be smart to understand it. Since number are not anyway clear enough the dev team added new labels on the left side.

Hey eeter I didn’t talked about you nor laugh at you, I even don’t know you.

I simply talked about something nearly absurd, that you noticed yourself : that the new pattern matrix sections labels still need too much horizontal text space to be displayed correctly… I find this absurd annoyance somehow funny, leading users to use the wide screen strategy (what wasn’t the goal of the 2.8 GUI improvements at all). I remember that the initial collapsible group idea started from a video of m0d that proudly showed his 3 widescreens on his desktop what was the only way for him to work decently on complex and rich orchestrations with renoise. It’s just a detached style of humor. I’m sorry if you believed in something personal. I’m one of those guys that laugh when they encounter absurdities. On this point, today, we simply do not share the same human reactions in front of renoise oddities, no need to see trolls in all this.

Only your last idea can get a +1 from me:

i think that’s a good idea.

furthermore, I would love a switch to swap click and shift click behaviours in the queueing sequence-number-buttons.

was thinking about this again, but isn’t the delete button used for removing a Section Header? if you remove the delete button, how would you remove a Section Header?

i do find the delete button a bit big/ugly for my tastes. i’d rather see it like a small x or something, dunno… maybe a GUI designer can shine some light on this.

Actually, it was lain who initially made the suggestion in 2009, but m0d really made a good case with that video 1½ year later. And yes, the new single-track mode (auto-collapse?) makes a lot of sense in such a scenario.

Well, did you try? Holding shift will allow you to schedule any number of patterns

As for improving the pattern-sequence, we really should add tool-tips to the pattern-loop squares and everywhere it makes sense to do so. Some parts of the Renoise interface are assumed as common knowledge, but a bunch of squares is just a bunch of squares until you understand their purpose…

its there just on the left side where the pattern numbers are … on the second picture…

That’s all the problem. I like the help of the header section especially during my schedules. But when I’m working on my laptop, the quest for a single pixel of workspace becomes an obsession. Neither do I don’t like this (x) delete button, it’s just… odd / strange like that.

The only way to keep the delete header functionnality but without displaying the (x) button, is to display this button only if for example the mouse rollovers on the label, and when a “Ctrl” key is pressed. That’s just an idea.

Or simpler : deleting 100% of the text of the header label, and hitting the “enter” key on the keyboard would automatically remove the header itself.

What do you think about it ?

^ don’t like the modifier-key, do like the mouse-over idea. i also like the ‘empty+ENTER’-idea, but it might be a bit more obscure to new users. so i don’t know how user-friendly that last suggestion is.

Hahaa :D I just learned that if you totally hide the comments sidebar the Section Header moves to the right side of the bar where the Pattern Matrix is. That’s actually just perfect. Won’t use that sidebar much anymore. :)

And also it’s nice to see that they have fixed the 3rd point from first post.

I too do not like the delete button. Perhaps the easiest (and most intuitive) way of removing the button without removing the delete functionality is to have the section disappear when the user delete the section title and then press enter.

Just my two cents

+1

(With my cents it makes 4 cents ! :lol: )

I use solely the mattrix view for arranging, thus I like the additional numbers on the left, and would be happy to be able to hide the pattern number :)

I was one of those whose fists were on the side of totally flat sequencer (no aliases or repeating patterns whatsoever). I would love an option to hide pattern numbers and disable any possible aliasing altogether with the same option.

I’m on your side

i’m with Suva. i never use duplicate patterns or whatnot. i might try out some of these alias-things or something in the future but i think i’ll stick with copy-paste. i don’t like repetition :)

The whole flat sequencer thing is something I’d really very much like to see discussed further. But IMO the the discussion should take place after the beta dust has settled. Right now it would only generate unwanted noise. The current solution seems to be, as mentioned earlier, a thought-over (fought-over, maybe… ;)) compromise between the two opposites. Which is only appropriate, I think.

In short: personally I’m not that fond of the idea, but it just might be me curling up into a cozy comfort zone…

@kmaki: agree with you that this discussion should be separated from the 2.8 beta. there has obviously been a lot of discussion about it with the Alpha-team already, and certain behavior has also changed back and forth between 2.7 and 2.8. in the end we might have to go for something in the settings or something.

I was probably the strongest opponent to the theory of fully-flat sequencer (no repetitions allowed) during alpha stage, but also suggested to automatically remove the ordinal column when the list is fully ordered, which indeed looks like wasted space to me in that scenario

…and it gives you an idea about which mode you’re in (numbers missing? Must be linear…)

+1