The Renoise future & long loading times with Arturia Pigments

@taktik

Hi Taktik!
It’s been quite a while since the last update and I just wondering, how are you doing and your plans of upcoming Renoise releases.
Is it possible to share a bit of information around Renoise future?
Thanks a lot!

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can we not wait a bit more, who knows what’s being baked. if it’s a choice between “tell us what you’re doing” and “finish what you’re doing”, i know i’ll vote for option number two.

I don’t think it’s a question of choice. If the project stalled and is no longer developing, I’ll start looking for a platform for migration sooner. Technologies are moving forward and keeping Renoise afloat is not a question of releasing bug fixes. I’m ready to wait if I knew what exactly. I think that for us the question of communication and prospects, especially today, is very relevant.

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See here. And CLAP format probably won’t be implemented due to time issues. So don’t expect too much. As taktik already wrote, “Buy it for what it is, not what it might be”. If this isn’t enough, better check another DAW.

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Really sad :frowning:

What do you mean by “technologies are moving forward”, exactly? Are there any trackers doing something in particular Renoise isn’t that you’d want to see?

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Renoise is in active development, beyond just bug fixes. I’ll leave it to taktik to say any more, since it really is his project

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“Technologies moving forward” means exactly what I’ve said. Renoise challenges to work with Native Instruments VSTs, last update from Arturia for Pigments made it very slow to start inside Renoise. Many of the NI plugins not responsive, making very difficult to tune preset inside the DAW. I have to load the plugin in Komplete Control first, make some changes and save it. And the situation will get worst until it will reach the line I couldn’t comfortably produce in Renoise.

Arturia doesn’t support Renoise. If you want to use plugins by Arturia and expect them to work properly, you will have to use DAWs that are listed here. Similar with NI plugins, they seem to primarily support Ableton, Cakewalk, Cubase, FL Studio, Logic, Reaper and Studio One.

What are you talking about. It’s a VST standard, despite of the plugin maker.
Have you tried to use it previously?
Only last version of Arturia Pigments have an issues with Renoise, and this is just about lack of updates from Renoise.
Regarding Native Instruments it’s really funny things you are saying TNT. There are no such preferred or selected DAW supporting NI. Renoise just not that popular it’s not listed there.

Is there any info on when Renoise 3.5 will be released, approximately? Or an open beta?

HUH ?
I have a couple of arturia demo’s and they have never even crashed on me
Arturia not supporting renoise is bullocks
As stated earlier , it’s a vst standard

Stop spreading fake info , it happens enough already and it f…n makes my skin crawl !

You guys should really click the link and check the supported DAWs. Or at least just type “arturia” in the Renoise forum search bar, you’ll find plenty of issues in Renoise. Arturia doesn’t test the plugins in Renoise, that’s a fact. I bet it’s the same regarding NI. Anyway, good luck!

I can’t really say. It’ll be out when it’s ready :slight_smile: Also, you can always dm taktik for consideration as a beta tester if that’s something you’d like to be a part of

So you really think that a list of "supported daws ’ means less buggy operation , less crashes .?
You can’t be any more naive than that .
Yes , renoise has some issues with certain plugins just like any other host .
Afaik I’ve been using reaktor for 2 decades inside renoise , no issues at all , crashes happen verry rarely just like in any other host .

By your own logic, if VST is just “a standard” when why would Renoise be causing the problems and need to be updated? I havent got a horse in this race and FWIW all my Arturia stuff works flawlessly in Renoise, but you appeal to logic and fail your own test.

Isn’t it logical when they don’t test their plugins in Renoise!?

I’ve had various such issues with SSL bus comp2, Arturia and some NI plugins but they are all pretty much fixed these days when using VST3 (GUI issues gone), now I only have an issue with CZ V and a some presets in Analog Lab that won’t render the first note played correctly, this is a Renoise specific issue AFAIK.

If specific plugins are causing problems, it would use useful to know your full system specs and OS. Kontakt is a notoriously RAM hungry plugin, just in case, have you considered a RAM upgrade if possible?

In addition, wanting “new technologies” is a bit too vague. Do want Windows ARM Native support for those new Snapdragon X chips? Renoise is x64 and works on most OS’es - what are you seeing as being missing? CLAP? I dont think NI have announced support for CLAP anyway, neither have Arturia AFAIK.

What do you want added? Or are you just being overly general? I dont even have a mega PC, just a six core Ryzen 9600X and 32GB DDR5 - even brutal plugins like UHE Diva and Eventide Blackhole run fine. When i had Pigments (which i sold as i dont like it) I could open and run multiple instances no problem. I wonder if there has been any authorisation changes lately, the Arturia Software Center updated recently - so maybe the dial home for authentication is slowing things down. It used to be brutal for Universal Audio plugins and is one of the reasons i dropped their stuff, the open times were shit.

Anyway, my point is, software, hardware, operating systems and code are so varied and so interwoven and complex, asking for an update for “new technologies” is so vague as to be meaningless.

Last point, even a cursory internet search shows Arturia stuff can be slow for a multitude of reasons, here is one link:

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/long-load-times-for-arturia-pigments-and-analogue-lab.149646/

There are many more.

Of course, it’s self-explanatory. Indeed I really think that testing something means less issues. That’s generally the only reason for testing something. You can’t be any more ignorant than that if you don’t see the obvious connection.