The WIP thread - work In progress

That is great, TNT, thanks :slight_smile: I think from here I will try to make it as structured and dancy as I can, gonna think a little about it. I have swapped the kicks for two that are more similiar to each others. Gonna try to change the background synth in the “verse” too.

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How’s the mix of this?

I think the kick is too strong, but I didn’t listen in the car yet.

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Yo, that’s loud and aggressive, no doubt. I think “Human Junk” fits very well to the sound. I’m thinking about producing something similar with a similar intention for a while now, because it’s currently acute. :wink:
I think the high ends are less harsh than usual in this one. Have you changed something in the process?

Not necessarily. I think it’s a good mix overall, but especially in the second half almost every second hit of the kick seems to be softer than the first one. It’s kinda like the second hit is getting eaten up by the other sounds. Which also means the first hit of the kick seems to be a little loud. If you manage to fix this, the mix is almost done. Maybe bring some sounds that are in the back more in front, too. I like the mood of your tune, and I especially like the chord, that brings some mid to late 90s vibes. I also like the “Plastikman Acid sound” in the second half.

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Great, thank you. I have to check the kick, that’s a good information.

I finished this in SunVox, after already wasting too much time with Mutant Breaks. :grin:

Do you mean the weak kick is the one that comes with the chord?

Edit: I think it’s because the bass is only at every second kick.

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I’m of two minds of this. It works the way it is. But the track does feel a bit mushy to me. Like wading through a swamp. I’d be inclined to turn the kick down a notch or two,yes.

If you don’t mind me saying, I think that long lingering portemento melody line is awful. Both in terms of it’s sound and the actual melody. Think it would be better served with a few rests in there. That could re-spark my interest in it. But now it just meanders. Some more interesting sound design would help, too.

To but it another way, I feel the sound is too attention grabbing as it right now for this kind of melody. It could work as a quiet background element. Almost like a pad. Provided some more interesting stuff happens in the foreground. If it’s gonna take center stage like it does now, it needs to step up its game and actually have a story to tell. That’s how I feel about it anyway.

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@ToybOx Other than my usual comment, that you should put out full tracks & albums already, I don’t have much to say about this track… save that it’s wonderful! It’s fast, violent and like TNT says, not harsh. So very well done. Listened to it 4 or 5 times now and it continues to flips my cookie.

Go for it man! I’d love to hear your take on this kind of music. Maybe it can be your entry for MBC#16? :wink:

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Thanks for you impression. Do you mean the Acid line or the Cello sound? I like both :slight_smile:

No, the chord comes with the first one. The second and the fourth one are the weak ones. Like I said, every second kick. Yes, maybe it’s because of the synth bass. I don’t kinow, but I can clearly hear the weakness through speakers. Through headphones it’s not really audible, but the sound through speakers is the sound that’s crucial.

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MBC is the opposite of what I’m usually doing, especially MBC 16. So no, I’ll skip. But I wouldn’t create Breakcore for sure, instead I would either go for heavy Techno or Electronic.

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@lilith it might be a phase alignment issue where the bass and kick are weakening each other instead of reinforcing each other. you take a look on an oscilloscope to see if it’s a problem. A steep HP filter at a low frequency can shift phase, but you’ll likely need to get a visual on it to do a proper fix. If, in fact, that is the issue.

The multiband send also can shift phase (and cause phase dispersion - which is where the phases are shifted relative to their frequency. like a slight lazer zap) if you need it.

Again, an oscilloscope is very useful for phase alignment in the low end. it’s a big deal in psy production, but matters anytime you’re hoping to get your beats on a big system where a clean consistent low end is a priority

Oh, you can also try inverting the phase of your kick to see if it sums better with the bass. Sometimes that’s a quick and easy fix

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What speakers do you have in use?

thanks for this, I use the multiband send quite a bit and never thought to check my work with the scope

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I’m mixing primarily through Onkyo SC-380, but I also got Genelec 8030 CP studio monitors. And to complete the setup, my headphones are Audio Technica ATH-M50 X.

@slujr
You can also invert the phase by using the Gainer. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Correctamundo

Yeah, it’s definitely a good idea, depending on how clean you need your low end to be. The multiband send’s filters (and filters in general) can introduce pre (for linear phase eqs) or more typically post ringing, which can extend parts of the waveform past where you might want them to end. This can lead to muddy/smeary lows, or problems with transients in the kick, or phase alignment issues. An oscilloscope really helps to dial in those little details that can have a big impact on the sound as you scale up in the size of the sound system

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No I’m just getting better at taming the Aliasing that comes from the amiga i think.

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I respect your decision to skip MBC16. I just want to go on record that I’d think with your skills you could make a great sounding track with just 1.4mb to work with.

Regardless, I am looking forward to hearing some hard hitting, crunchy sounds from you.

The acid line. The cello sound is fine to my ears. The acid line really doesn’t work for me. But if it works for you, great! I mean that sincerely.

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Do you hear that kick bass issue on the Genelec? I have the Neumann KH 120 and they should be very similar.
For headphones I use the Sennheiser HD 560S

Yup, it works and also @TNT liked it… so it works :sweat_smile:

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Ah yeah, right, I forgot that you’re the one who’s still working with Amiga, too. Which is pretty cool! :slightly_smiling_face:

Thanks man! Maybe you would be surprised, but all my xrns files usually are smaller than 1,4 MB. The average value is around 1.2 MB in total. Which is another reason for using VSTs instead of samples… :wink:

Yes, but only slightly. But the Genelec studio monitors aren’t best for low end stuff, because they lack low ends. I might need to buy a subwoofer as well, or I sell them and grab the Genelec 8050 instead. It’s better to rely on the Onkyo speakers, they never let me down for 32 years now and I know that sound perfectly.

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@Kaao I means this in the best possible way: your videos are so weird. The old video games, the desktop. It trips me up because I don’t know what I’m looking at. Is it laziness, is it art? I doubt the websites you show are an accident. It gives me a similar feeling that I get when seeing liminal spaces. I don’t know if it’s real or not. Same goes for your music. It feels old, like old video game music. But at the same time it’s new. Not a lot happens yet still it’s moving forward. It’s uncanny. Keep it up! :+1:

I think there where two problems with the bass / kick. Too little side chaining and the bass was not always on the kick and sometimes even a bit too early.

I think that’s better: