so hmm. phoscyon (by the way thanks for the tip, its a dream and sounds shweet, easier to use than rebirth also) wont show in renoise. im looking under the VST bit in the DSP chain bussiness (i only half know what im on about here) and it aint there. my others are showing but not this one.
i would sack it off and make a brew but i only found out about it cuz of renoise users so i must asume it can be made to comply.