I understand your excitement and enthusiasm. Your post and thoughts remind me of my own thought processes. I am Neurodiverse, your post reminds me of how i think, dont stop posting. Share your enthusiasm and love for music. People like to argue online but ive appreciated some of your posts. Stay safe.
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We used to have a download section where anyone could upload instruments and other resources, but they took it away from us and made the forum 90% less interesting…
I’m sorry to say , but imo the last migration to a new forum platform was the worst thing that ever happened to this community, everything became a lot worse in every way i’m afraid.
Are there anyone at all that thinks the forum is better the way it is now?
For a long time i hoped they would do like in the old forum, start to add more stuff and features along the way to make it more complete, hoped that soon we would get back our download section and such, but a long time has passed and absolutely nothing happened in this regard. 
This forum platform was supposed to be better for phones and tablets and such, but instad it’s way worse than it used to. I’m writing this on a tablet and i almost gave up, because it’s not even possible to scroll through my post while i’m writing it, it behaves buggy as fuck. 
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I don’t know what the forum was like before, when I joined it was already like this, so I can’t say anything about it… I can say that personally I don’t have big problems with the platform, neither on the computer nor on the phone… of course every now and then it has some strange “bugs” on the phone, but I don’t know how much is the fault of the forum and how much is the fault of the touchscreen, the forum could also be innocent… In any case I can use it. I have read several times about this download section which no longer exists, but I honestly don’t see what the problem is in recreating it in a topic… if I’m not mistaken there is even more than one, and this could perhaps be a “problem”, it’s certainly better to have just one page, but a little organization is enough… Just as the instruments were shared in that section that no longer exists, they can be shared here… right? I understand that perhaps you who have experienced the change feel a certain affection for the previous situation and this is what makes you hate the new situation… but things can still be done… The question is: how many people want to do it? ? Personally, I will spend the next few months creating instruments I would be happy if someone would like to combine ideas, give advice, whatever, and maybe together we can create many beautiful things for everyone (certainly more than what I could do alone). .otherwise I’ll build my own things, I’ll make my own music, you’ll make yours and everything will be as it’s always been.
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That’s not my intention. I just won’t write that much anymore, especially not in threads that are about the future of Renoise. I know that Renoise keeps being Renoise, no matter what people are asking for.
Those who judge a DAW according to stock instruments should go and paint pictures instead. A DAW is just the tool you need to actually use and arrange any kind of instruments, no more and no less. And for several reasons the easiest way to learn how to create music is by using a tracker, that’s how I did it. The only reason why most people of today don’t know about trackers is that piano roll DAWs were kind of professional from the very beginning, whereas trackers were primarily used for small sample based tunes in low quality (any kind of chiptune and some breakbeat arrangements), and therefore piano roll DAWs became the industry standard.
Something like the discord of that piano roll NPC? And you can still share stuff if desired, right?
I respect and understand your point of view but I don’t agree, because we are talking about people who have yet to learn this thing. you know it, I know it, but were we born with this information? no, we learned it in one way or another… it’s as if a mathematics teacher were to say: “if you don’t know how to do addition, go study geography”… but if you don’t teach me addition … .so these people should not be taken for idiots and ignored / driven away by telling them that they should go and paint pictures. Certain things simply need to be explained to them, or given practical demonstrations (if they don’t figure it on their own). I myself judged a DAW by its stock instruments, today I no longer do that. We are not all phenomena, some need help to understand things, some need even more help (and that’s what a community should be for, right?) we don’t all have the same learning abilities and I’m sure that even some great artists that you appreciate, he needed help when he was young. If everyone followed your reasoning, maybe some great artists wouldn’t exist and would be bricklayers / plumbers… then I also think that there is a limit to everything and some are simply not ready to understand at the moment, so you can give advice once, twice, then it’s enough because you see that they don’t listen to you… I absolutely agree with this… But maybe in 10 years they will understand it in a different way and will think “that person was right 10 years ago”, everyone has their own times, there are those who understand in 5 minutes and those who take a lifetime, but music is for everyone, not just for phenomena who understand everything easily on their own. But I can also understand that not everyone can understand the reasoning I’m making. Everyone has their own skills, inside and outside of music. There are those who know how to build instruments but not compose songs, there are those who know how to compose songs but not create instruments, there are those who are good with melodies but not very good with rhythms, there are those who are good with rhythms but less with melodies, those who are very good technically but have few ideas, those who have many ideas but don’t know very well how to realize them… And outside of music, there are those who have more creativity, those who have more rationality, those who are better at everything related to mathematics or logic, who is better at everything related to philosophy or psychology… For example, it is clear that you have skills and knowledge in music that I don’t have , but I think I have a skill that you don’t have, or that you don’t show you have: empathy (but I’m ready to change my mind) because I can understand the point of view of a man tired of babysitting, but I can understand the point of view of a young guy who needs support… instead I see a lot of people stuck in their own path and that’s it… but that’s okay, in short, no one is forced to do anything… I’m just sorry that harmony only exists on the pentagram and much less between people.
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I have no idea what you’re referring to, don’t you remember the download section?
You just clicked the downloads link on the front page and where taken to a whole new page with an uploader where you upload your files, choose the type of resource you are uploading and write a descriptive post. It was quite well organized and separated from the rest of the forum.
Here’s the post where this feature was announced:
You COULD judge a synthesizer by its stock instruments because that’s the tool to literally create sounds, but not A DAW. Even as a kid that was about to start creating music this fact was self-explanatory, and there was no internet, no manual and no one who explained anything, Learning by doing! I never had stock instruments except in the first SoundTracker, mostly I sampled myself and of course I also got samples from friends. I also didn’t check the stock instruments of Renoise until today. I didn’t expect stock instruments and I only noticed them because someone in the forum talked about it. Judging a DAW by its stock instruments is like judging a car by its driver or a computer by its stock software. It doesn’t make sense.
For sure you’ve got skills I don’t have. For example, you can use a piano roll without getting angry. 
And based on the amount of comments alone you can see that I’m one of the most supportive guys you can find in this forum. I share my knowledge, I share my templates, I even mixed songs for some people. I’m just sick and tired to talk about things that are self-explanatory or to talk to people that behave strangely.
There’s a well known piano roll fanatic in this forum, and I’m referring to his discord, where you can download stuff like themes, templates and probably instruments, too. And no, I don’t remember the download section, I never cared about it. I even don’t know when it was cancelled. Even though I’m a member since 2011, I didn’t visit the forum for 7 years.
I repeat, not everyone has the same learning abilities, the fact that YOU understood certain things immediately or that they were so obvious that you didn’t even need to understand them, without the internet, without manuals etc… It doesn’t mean it has to be like this for everyone. Also, if kids are used to it differently, is it their fault? Who began to provide him with a lot of simplified things? who “spoiled” them? did they create them themselves? no, since they don’t know how to do it. it was the adults themselves, and now that “the damage” has been done, you can’t pretend nothing happened… I see that you are one of the most active users in giving advice and sharing your knowledge, and you are always open to dialogue and in comparison, these are things I really appreciate. but I also see that when they try to make you notice and reflect on some specific things, such as the difference in mentality that can exist between different generations or different people (even of the same age) your response, conceptually, is always this… “I understood it even as a child”, okay, I’m happy for you, but I’m telling you that there are people who need more time, or different methods, or simply to receive the information because they can’t see it for themselves …either you understand it, or you don’t. when I was 16 there were people in their 30s who asked me “what software do you use? how do you cut the samples? what bass do you use? how do you give the song this “dough” feeling?” to say that I also understood some things earlier than others… just as I haven’t understood many other things yet. so since I understood how to use a compressor at 16, what should I say to a thirty year old who doesn’t know how to use it? “music isn’t for you”?
Yes, it’s just like @BriocheBaps wrote, today eveything is available and people expect to get everything everywhere without any efforts. I almost wonder why no one asks for a button that composes songs automatically. Since a long time now I don’t expect anything from anyone anymore except one little thing: Being able to understand at least the basic things. And it’s basic knowledge that a DAW isn’t a synthesizer. Therefore it cannot be judged by stock instruments at all.
This is my answer if somebody claims that trackers are complicated and hard to learn, but not in general.
So as me. But you don’t need to understand everything, only the things you need to achieve your goals, whether in terms of music or whatever. And a 13 year old boy or a beginner in general doesn’t need to know how to use a compressor. Of course I would tell that kid to focus on composing and understanding the DAW first. Mixing and mastering isn’t important as long as the basics are missing. And even then it depends on your goals. Personally I slowly started to deal with compressors (and mixing and mastering in general) when I started to use Renoise, and I was twice as old as you at that time.
The more you know. The harder it is to learn something new.
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I probably expressed myself badly this time. the compressor is just a trivial example, not the center of the discussion. I didn’t want to discuss the importance of the mix compared to the composition or vice versa… I can also express the same concept by talking about the composition, or the arrangement… in short, the concept in its essence is that since one thing, (anything whatsoever) It’s easy for me to understand, I don’t expect it to be easy for everyone, even if it’s ABC. since for me the color red is red, I don’t expect you see it red too, maybe you have some light that bothers your eyes and therefore it seems orange to you, and you only see it red when I point it out to you which is red… but if I don’t point anything out to you, you will continue to see it orange. (I’m looking for all the possible metaphors to try to make myself understood, but we probably think differently about this thing)… but anyway, I want to clarify that I don’t expect anything from you, in the sense that you are consistent with your ideas and that’s fine… you don’t care about how many people use or don’t use Renoise, you care that no one spoils your mood with strange requests. I am more “annoyed” by those who would like to push Renoise up (not modify the software…Just make it more popular, make it known to more people, etc…) but at the same time don’t lift a finger for any initiative.
What you described about understanding or not understanding is self-explanatory, but that’s not the point. The point is that you don’t judge something by something that doesn’t have anything to do with the thing you want to judge, such as stock instruments in terms of a DAW. As I said, you don’t judge a car by its driver.
I’n not annoyed by those who would like to see Renoise being more popular, but I totally disagree with the most mentioned “argument”, and that’s “there’s no piano roll”. Besides of that Renoise has a different approach. There’s no big company that runs the Renoise business. Renoise will never be Cubase and vice versa, it is what it is, and that’s what it’s meant to be. Of course it’s a pitty that trackers aren’t more popular, but that’s because what I told you above and about the history of DAWs. And no matter what you do, I’m pretty sure it’ll remain just like that. It’s like eBay or Amazon, there are a lot other websites where you could trade, but everyone sticks to that because that are the biggest players on the market. Same with YouTube when it comes to videos and so on and so on. There’s no difference when it comes to DAWs.
It depends, but basically you’re right.
Imagine that someone asked for a PR in Blockhead and I say NOT adding it (maybe I had already said it, I have some holes in my memory) because it’s nice to see something different, and believe me, if I had seen Renoise with a PR instead wich with those columns of numbers, I wouldn’t have felt the same curiosity and maybe I would never have even downloaded the demo. The reason why sometimes, in Renoise I use the PR and in Blockhead I don’t feel the need for it, is that I have known the Blockhead system since before discovering Blockhead, because it works the same as the Shapemaster of VCV Rack, while a tracker is something that I needed to know better and get used to it… but I chose to use a PR in Renoise only on a few occasions and only because I found the script already available… I never had the intention of asking for one. As I said, with the old discussion I just wanted to better understand some perspectives. I think we have clarified ourselves enough on the PR and we can consider ourselves in agreement (except for the fact that I use it and you don’t) I hope we won’t talk about it anymore haha.
As for the new topic, what you say certainly makes sense, I’m probably too optimistic thinking that with some little effort from users, Renoise can achieve more… but at this moment I think it can happen. the only thing I can’t find a point of agreement on is the fact that you say “judging a DAW in this way doesn’t make sense”, and for you the discussion ends like this. Instead I tell you, you’re right, this is not how you should judge a DAW, but often in the first phase of the journey (of the new generations) it happens that you like it or not, whether you agree or not. Simply saying “it doesn’t make sense” is not an effective explanation for those who need to understand. Creating instruments is a practical demonstration, the moment a person listens to Renoise’s stock instruments and thinks about uninstalling the DAW, they can be told: hey, wait a minute, try this…
And the person immediately understands the concept, without the need for words… But then, it’s not just about kids, it’s about us too, if we put our ideas together we can all do many more things, I don’t understand why almost no one is interested…summarizing everything I want to say: I would like to see a more active community in creating and sharing, that’s all. It’s a shame that there are a few thousand users but we only see a handful of names. 
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Tonely monosynth, one pulse on top of one pulse:
2_Osc_Monosynth_1.xrni (3.3 KB)
Weird one here, really different based on octave:
TCR_TCO_03.xrni (4.8 KB)
Even weirder one, just made it, an experiment with key off and stepper:
Saw+Sine (Flanger Rig).xrni (289.2 KB)
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I just love car analogies as a German. Btw. what is the topic of this thread? Who is the best Renoise user?
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There are a lot of Renoise users who just create music instead of being part of a “forum community”. I was one of them for years, and I also know some who never showed up until today. So what? People have a life to live, and that’s the majority for sure. There’s no need to participate and to post whatever. What are you missing? There are users who create PLENTY of useful tools, there are users who create tutorial videos about everything you need to know, there are users who share their knowledge and/or data, there are users who create handy doofers and/or sample based instruments, there are users who initiate competitions and even spend their money for prizes, there are users who give feedback when it comes to music, afaik everyone who’s active here is helping out in case of problems, not to mention the active Renoise team members and so on and so on. And even the creator himself shows up. So what else are you looking for?
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Ok, I think I’ve found an explanation for everything, before strange situations arise again. (I warned you that my brain takes a while) First, sorry if I don’t insert the quotes or links correctly but I’m on my phone and it’s more chaotic.
I just found a thread where @Jek says what @TheBellows also said, about the download section no longer being there. And @Cubeinthebox posted a still working link (download only) and I actually found a nice roundup of instruments. While when I searched here in the forum, I found a thread like “post your instruments here” and another similar one, both not widely used.
I found a few other scattered things (because the title probably caught my eye) and that’s it… I’m only now discovering that by digging and digging and digging, there are many more discussions, practically one dedicated for each creation… And here I take back what I said, community, MY MISTAKE, SORRY, you are already active…but I didn’t see it… Because finding a discussion like “post your instruments here”, I expected to find most of the things there , and maybe a few other scattered things about users who “got to the wrong place”, as a user who knows little about how the forum works it seemed quite sensible to me. Finding few instruments I thought “guys, it’s okay that they closed the download section, but in all this time you’ve done so little?” … it happened to me with the Renoise forum, the same thing that happened to me with Renoise…that initially I thought “can I do only this?” …and then “ah, no, ok, I can do much more” … at this point maybe I can agree with users who request the download section, it’s a more instinctive approach for me… It made me I’m going crazy with this thing ahahaha, but I can also use the forum as it is, now that I understand how to use it, really, sorry guys…
OP did it. You can edit your own post titles. No super powers needed!
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