What would you want AI to do in Renoise?

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Nothing

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For years I’ve been bugging tool makers in the tool forum for materializing tool ideas, chatgpt has (almost) put an end to it :sunglasses: . I love throwing ideas in it and trial and error lua results until something works, feels like magick to me as a non coder. I wouldn’t mind some kind of direct integration in the scripting editor.

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What would you want AI to do in Renoise?

Delete itself

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first we’d need an actual functioning scripting editor. that supports autocomplete etc.
btw where are your tool ideas posted? got links?

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What i want what AI should do in Renoise? In principle literally NOTHING!

happy tracking :slight_smile:

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A lot of things nowadays are being called AI and I’m not sure it applies to everything, like automatically assigning samples to middle C for example (that would be great)

I have a love/hate relationship with it because while it is a great resource and learning tool (I use chatgpt religiously) not everything needs to include it and it is turning more into a marketing gimmick of the moment. I already stopped liking Windows after 8 (10 was alright) and now a little less because how MS is shoving it in Win11 and Edge

The only current implementation that I know of is Logic Pro’s session players, downloaded the latest trial just to see and it’s way overhyped, while it does give you a humanized complex playing of keyboard and bass of whatever chord prog you input with a wide range of articulations, etc, it’s nothing you can’t do with humanize and you still have to make it fit your song anyway, it’s a lot like using presets.

There’s also stem splitter, so that’s cool.

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Nothing

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Consume itself

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The stuff you mentioned is the stuff I like to do myself or dig through manually to figure out how to do it.

If AI does it - what’s the point for me to do anything - sample cut points, envelopes, synth sounds etc etc… why even bother with Renoise, it’s just an extra interface step - just prompt in the raw AI cloud server and make it generate for you.

Now on other hand, I suppose AI is pushing us on next meta level of musical praxis - generating music from a prompt, why even bother with music. Just enjoy the Silence.

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Point taken. I think there’s a middle ground between where we’re at and just letting AI make the music, Suno style. There are still a lot of manual, tedious tasks in Renoise that are less creative than chores, and I think an ideal solution would assist you with those while helping you see more of the creative options at your disposal. But I agree that some of the struggle of working with it is exactly what makes it so satisfying to use.

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7 posts were split to a new topic: Tell me more about manual tedious tasks in Renoise that feel like chores. Maybe they can be scripted

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Actually, thinking about it, an AI bot to automatically laugh at people asking for piano roll in Renoise might be quite useful.

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I’m sure that AI could help to chop samples directly at the best places, better than any complex algo.

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Definitely, it will even be able to write an essay about each chop to explain what its done.

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Absolutely nothing!

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  1. Create phrases from tracks
  2. Optimization to avoid redundant pattern and note lanes in patterns
  3. Merge/seperate note lanes, where possible
  4. Suggest/realize mixing optimizations (specially Filter/EQ) over groups or the entire mix for disturbing frequency overlays
  5. A/B adaption of mixes after mix models
  6. Mix optimization to meet the standards of different streaming platforms
  7. Resynthesize samples to full synthesized XRNI
  8. Arrangement suggestions per track to complement other tracks (e.g. to create a special groove or prevent disturbing note layers on different tracks)
  9. Automated track and instrument leveling to a common standard level in dBFS/VU/LUFS
  10. Automated grouping of tracks for drums, percs, bass, pads, etc.
  11. Full featured recreation of stems with XRNIs & phrases

Only a very few ideas. No expectations to the dev team, but just some examples, what KI could do in Renoise.

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This is the answer.

Even though I study AI, it doesn’t mean everything has to have AI built into the application. AI is a board term, and what people are hyping are the LLM and diffusion model, but I don’t think they are realistic for Renoise because those models requires a lot of resources to train and you need a powerful device to run the model or the process will be slow or inaccurate.

I prefer trackers to be lightweight and simple as default, and not stuffed with a bunch of AI models which I seldom use. Even if I really want some AI features, it is usually related to correcting samples and I don’t use it for the composition process, but I would prefer those should be separated from the daw, like a vst or a Renoise plugin.

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i realized the other day that i feel like ever since Eliza on Atari, i had been waiting for AGI, so like i feel like my entire life has been just waiting for AGI. It makes me angry we’ve had to live in the dark ages, with only a few bright minds to offer us any degree of intelligence to light our ways through this cesspool of existence.

without jumping to higher dimensions, the only route to “Composes without wires”, have been AI

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about point 4. try using ringmod side chain for mixing instruments.

To be honest, I would like to see such a tool already built into the renoise mixer, since it is a very fast and convenient way to resolve frequency conflicts without damaging the instruments.