Generative AI is showing up in all kinds of apps now, how would you like to see it appear in Renoise?
I can see it adding value in the sample editor, suggesting precise chop locations, suggesting waveform tweaks, auto-normalizing and tuning samples, maybe suggesting automation options?
I can also see it generating patterns or phrases with interesting variations on rhythm, suggesting chord progressions.
I always struggle with the actual recording process itself, getting a good take at the right volume without clipping. I wonder if an AI could just be a general “soundgoodizer” to ensure you get optimal levels and sound quality at the recording stage?
I have also been using AI to teach me Lua while analyzing Renoise Tools, having it scan through existing plugin files and telling me what everything does and teaching me in plain english how I might extend the tool to make it do what I want.
IDK – what do you think? What would you want it to do?
For years I’ve been bugging tool makers in the tool forum for materializing tool ideas, chatgpt has (almost) put an end to it . I love throwing ideas in it and trial and error lua results until something works, feels like magick to me as a non coder. I wouldn’t mind some kind of direct integration in the scripting editor.
A lot of things nowadays are being called AI and I’m not sure it applies to everything, like automatically assigning samples to middle C for example (that would be great)
I have a love/hate relationship with it because while it is a great resource and learning tool (I use chatgpt religiously) not everything needs to include it and it is turning more into a marketing gimmick of the moment. I already stopped liking Windows after 8 (10 was alright) and now a little less because how MS is shoving it in Win11 and Edge
The only current implementation that I know of is Logic Pro’s session players, downloaded the latest trial just to see and it’s way overhyped, while it does give you a humanized complex playing of keyboard and bass of whatever chord prog you input with a wide range of articulations, etc, it’s nothing you can’t do with humanize and you still have to make it fit your song anyway, it’s a lot like using presets.
The stuff you mentioned is the stuff I like to do myself or dig through manually to figure out how to do it.
If AI does it - what’s the point for me to do anything - sample cut points, envelopes, synth sounds etc etc… why even bother with Renoise, it’s just an extra interface step - just prompt in the raw AI cloud server and make it generate for you.
Now on other hand, I suppose AI is pushing us on next meta level of musical praxis - generating music from a prompt, why even bother with music. Just enjoy the Silence.
Point taken. I think there’s a middle ground between where we’re at and just letting AI make the music, Suno style. There are still a lot of manual, tedious tasks in Renoise that are less creative than chores, and I think an ideal solution would assist you with those while helping you see more of the creative options at your disposal. But I agree that some of the struggle of working with it is exactly what makes it so satisfying to use.
Even though I study AI, it doesn’t mean everything has to have AI built into the application. AI is a board term, and what people are hyping are the LLM and diffusion model, but I don’t think they are realistic for Renoise because those models requires a lot of resources to train and you need a powerful device to run the model or the process will be slow or inaccurate.
I prefer trackers to be lightweight and simple as default, and not stuffed with a bunch of AI models which I seldom use. Even if I really want some AI features, it is usually related to correcting samples and I don’t use it for the composition process, but I would prefer those should be separated from the daw, like a vst or a Renoise plugin.
i realized the other day that i feel like ever since Eliza on Atari, i had been waiting for AGI, so like i feel like my entire life has been just waiting for AGI. It makes me angry we’ve had to live in the dark ages, with only a few bright minds to offer us any degree of intelligence to light our ways through this cesspool of existence.
without jumping to higher dimensions, the only route to “Composes without wires”, have been AI
. I love throwing ideas in it and trial and error lua results until something works, feels like magick to me as a non coder. I wouldn’t mind some kind of direct integration in the scripting editor.
