Where are song properties in 3.0b?

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#1

Where are the song properties (set default template / pattern length /etc) in the 3.0b? I’m sure it’s somewhere obvious but I haven’t been able to find it yet =P

#2

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#3

@devteam

Not a good way to handle this in my opinion.

I mean, #1 and #3 are options that will be saved with the song aren’t they? If so, those two should remain “Song Options”, or at least be buried in a pair of buttons somewhere near the end of the master track DSP bar.

Until now, the View and Options menus only contained settings that persist between songs. Song-specific settings don’t belong there. (Although, making an exception for allowing Song Comments under View is reasonable, because the name of that menu item clearly states it’s song-specific data.)

#4

All view options are song specific.
The options are indeed not.

I’m not sure about the show upper/lower frame either. They currently don’t do anything although these were always important on netbooks.

#5

Still missing default pattern length… where is that?

#6

Look carefully.

#7

Also global groove is now in the master channel of the mixer.

#8

Thanks 4tey. But damn… that has to be an UI “bug” in two ways:

  1. In what sense does “Default pattern length” hierarchically fall under the concept of “Pattern highlight settings”?

  2. minor nitpick - it’s under the “View” menu … in most apps I’ve ever used “View” usually refers to the UI view of the data and not characteristics of the data model. MS Word isn’t exactly a beautiful UI, but it illustrates some of the standard idioms - “View” has stuff like show/hide ruler. This would be the equivalent of putting page size options under the view menu.

I’m fine with getting rid of the song properties, but there must be a more logical place to put this. Minimal-work-fix would be to change the label of “Pattern highlight settings” to something more general or to add another menu item.

#9

I agree that putting default pattern length under ‘view’ or ‘pattern highlight settings’ is confusing. Not sure the best place to put it, personally the first place I looked was in Preferences.

#10

[The next beta](http://forum.renoise.com/index.php?/topic/40890-settings-moved-in-a-confusing-way/page view findpost p 310832) will have these settings put under a “song” option in the menu bar.