Why isn't Renoise at Musikmesse?

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@.xrns

I’d guess this is true for people who have just struggled to learn Garageband, but it can’t be true for experienced DAW users. If somebody can learn Live (and Max for Live) or Cubase or Reason or Logic, he can certainly learn Renoise. Heck, I’ve seen kids of age 7 play around with Renoise. If we’re talking instant gratification, then what could possibly be a better DAW than Renoise in this regard?

I said it wasn’t difficult, tracking is simpler than clip based sequencers IMO, but to those people it LOOKS difficult

If tracking is likely to always be a niche method of composing music, then maybe it’s about time that Renoise elevated itself to a new level in this regard. I mean, why limit itself to a small niche? All the other nuts and bolts are already there, with DSP devices and whatnot else. Suppose if Renoise actually offered a little button (maybe like Reason’s TAB, where you can switch the rack around) that switched the pattern editor into “conventional mode”, replacing the entire pattern editor with a pianoroll and linear horisontal sequencer… And all official marketing videos were showing a Renoise where you could quickly get things done and freely experiment with sound in the default pianoroll mode… when you’re ready, just switch into the microscopic level of total control - the tracker way.

I don’t like the idea of the entire sequencer completely changing to accommodate people who are really looking to use FL or cubase, those programs already exist for a reason…and this would fall under my aforementioned fear of the program losing it’s laser sharp focus, everything is designed with practical reasoning. I think there are legitimate reasons for a piano roll editor, it offers different strengths and weaknesses than the pattern editor and a program that brings the best of both worlds would be great - but I wouldn’t want it to be a simple imitation of other programs, if a piano roll were ever added to Renoise I’d like to see it incorporated in a way that is coherent with the rest of the program. That means being vertical, making switching between the two interfaces more seamless, as an added bonus that is actually a more normal way of looking at a piano…

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Renoise is still a hobby for the team devs and this is the way they like it and gives them the most fun. If it would grow to a multibillion dollar product, it would outgrow their intensions and would probably be forced to travel a route where there is frankly no intension to go. (more supoprt needed than capable to be handled, more staff required, new strategy etc.)
So the low-profile marketing is intended.

All right. I get it.

Well, congratulations to the team for finding a stimulating hobby then.

(Note to self: Keep in mind that Renoise development is basically just a hobby for the developers and the Renoise team.)

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@.xrns

http://musik.messefr…html?q=Renoise

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What would be required for Renoise to be accepted as a more “conventional DAW”? What would be required for Renoise 3.0 and above versions to be represented at Musikmesse in Frankfurt in the future?

It seems to me most of the nuts and bolts are already in place, with Renoise having most stuff that e.g. Bitwig and other DAWs try to have. Is it just the alphanumeric stuff that scares people off? Would a pianoroll and a linear sequencer/arranger basically turn Renoise into a huge commercial success?

It’s a hobby project nothing more, renoise does not have the features currently to take on the moniker of everyday usable DAW (believe it or not hard disk recording is actually quite common and not one of Renoises strong points, and that is only one blatant issue)
It has its userbase and wont go much past that in its current form (If its current users like hearing that is actually not important even if it isn’t what they want to hear)
it doesn’t come across that the devs see it as anything but a hobby, so why should anybody else ?
Enjoy it for what it is and if it gets updated enjoy what they add