Unless I’ve missed it, you can’t use Alt+F, to bring down the File menu, etc. and can’t use Alt+F4 to close Renoise. Is there a reason for this?
I do agree that there should be a trigger to go to the menu, maybe an oldschool F10 or sth… but there is NO QUITTING. haha
You are the first one in the whole existance time of Renoise wondering about this lack…
Alt+F4 is copy selection.
If you want to assign it to “Quit” then do so in the keyboard bindings. There is a keyboard binding available (search on “quit”), it is not assigned by default.
Every file menu option has a keyboard shortcut, directly pressing the shortcut to do what you want is faster.
What’s the keyboard shortcut for ‘quit’? I couldn’t see anything written next to it in the file menu…
Alt+F4 has meant “close program” for about twenty years, in every Windows program in existence… Renoise shouldn’t be using it for anything else. Who came up with that idea?
If you don’t see a keyboard shortcut listed beside a menu item, that means there is no keyboard shortcut currently assigned to it. Therefore, you need to assign one yourself.
Simply go to Preferences > Keys and type “quit” into the search field.
To save you some time, it’s: Preferences > Keys > Global > Application > Quit
[Alt] + [F4] and other similar shortcuts have been used by trackers for over 20 years, dating back to the late 80’s and the days of SoundTracker, ProTracker, etc. on the Atari ST and Amiga, long before Windows was ever truly popular. This is what people have grown up with, what they’re comfortable with, so why should Renoise be any different?
At the end of the day, they are simply our chosen default keyboard shortcuts. You can re-assign these to whatever the hell you want, whatever suits your personal needs. 
I can’t understand why you wouldn’t already have assigned a keyboard shortcut to the one command which everybody HAS to use - ‘quit’.
I wasn’t aware of that, but I didn’t start tracking 20 years, and those who DID start tracking 20 years ago are highly unlikely to be doing so today… Most people have grown up with using Alt + F4 to close programs, because every other program they use, uses it! And doubtless they all use those other programs about ten times longer than they use Renoise in the average day.
I only asked a simple question.
Is there a reason we can’t use Alt+F, etc. to access the menus? I would imagine there are disabled users who can’t use a mouse, who prefer to access the pulldown menus that way.
Of all the things you need to do in Renoise, surely ‘quit’ is the lowest priority? When I’m working in Renoise for several hours, working on multiple songs, etc., I’m definitely not thinking about the ‘quit’ button. It’s only at the very end of my session that I need to think about this, and it takes 1 or 2 seconds to click the button in Renoise’s title bar, or to hit File > Quit. Really not a big deal at all, in my opinion. I can’t understand why you’re making such a fuss over this?
Once again, if you don’t like this, you can easily assign a keyboard shortcut that suits your own personal workflow. This will take you a few moments to set up once, and then you never have to worry about it again. Please tell me what’s so difficult about that?
Our default settings will never be able to please everyone, which is exactly why we give you the ability to change them.
Not that it really means anything, but I started roughly 25 years ago, back in 1987 or so. I’ve been using trackers exclusively my entire life, and have kept roughly the same basic keyboard shortcuts (to manipulate pattern data) since the day I first started. I would imagine that the majority of other oldschool/longtime users are also using pretty much the same basic shortcuts, with F3 to cut, F4 to copy, F5 to paste, and Ctrl/Shift/Alt as modifiers.
It’s true that I use Alt+F4 to close most programs in Windows, but to be perfectly honest I simply do not even think about this when I’m using Renoise. If I’m in Renoise then I’m in ‘tracker mode’, and my brain naturally associates Alt+F4 with ‘copy selection’. If I want to quit Renoise then I simply reach for the close button in the title bar.
This indeed could be an interesting addition, so we’ll try to keep it in mind.
Quite frankly, if a person doesn’t have the ability to move a mouse, then I’m quite sure they wouldn’t have the ability to effectively use the entire keyboard, either, and they’d probably have a pretty damn hard time using Renoise in the first place. But to be perfectly honest, it’s compeltely pointless for us to speculate on what a disabled person may or may not be experiencing anyway. (Unless you’re disabled yourself? In which case, please share your honest opinions)
If there are any disabled users who are genuinely having problems accessing the menus in Renoise (or anything else), then please come forward and share your opinions/concerns.
Eh, I started tracking in 2005, this shortcut being inconsistent with most windows programs doesn’t bother me at all(might just be that I’m usually not in a hurry to close Renoise though)
Is Alt+F4 = close also a common shortcut with OSX and linux? Renoise is cross platform too so I’d imagine it’s impossible for the default keys to not step on SOMEONE’s toes
Everybody knows it’s Ctrl+Q for Quit innit? 
Also, the tracker shortcuts evolved from before an application could be quit… one could only just ‘shut down’ the system and switch the floppy or tape for another application. 
(Why would you exit?)
Hey buddy, don’t assume so much… i’m one of those who have been around tracking over twenty years back and i’m still using Renoise.
+1 (mentally disabled are welcome as well)
I’m actually a little scared to share this with the whole community. But… I’m disabled. I have a more aggressive type of this disease: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcot-Marie-Tooth_disease
It affects my feet, hands and spine. I have actually become quite crippled from it. It limits my ability to walk, play sports, do certain types of work/jobs, and has caused a lot of discrimination against me, because I’m actually very apparently crippled from it. ie… If you see me in person, you think, “cripple.”
I do my music production mostly with the mouse. The mouse is much easier for me to use. And actually, I prefer desktop computers, rather than laptops. Some laptop keyboards, are difficult for me to type on; especially if the keyboard is very small. Smart phones are very difficult for me to type and text on, and I can only make short messages.
One of the reasons, I was interested in Renoise for iPad, was because of touch screen. I actually like touch screens a lot -> ( except for typing ) But now that I have been working on my new desktop, I think I’d like to see touch screen on my desktop.
I use my keyboard to enter notes, volume, delay, fx in the pattern. Almost everything else I do in Renoise, or any other DAW is with the mouse. If I thought, there was one thing, that would make Renoise more accessible to me, it would be touch screen. Its not a feature request. But you guys asked. Those are my thoughts.
That said… So far I have not found something in Renoise that I can not access. The high contrast themes available make everything very crystal clear. The new infrared computer mice and trackpads are very good. I like them better than old mice. I am wondering though, what my experience with the software would be, if I were more keyboard oriented…
Anyways, that is my share… 
Because of discrimination I have found here on Earth, I thought about PM’ing this to the admins, but for the community to know. “Are any disabled using Renoise?” The answer is yes. And the software is very much appreciated too.
cheers
Thanks for sharing. It’s good to hear that you’re still able to use Renoise and be creative with it, even if it can be a little bit tricky sometimes.
i’ll tell you why.
alt-f4 in impulsetracker, screamtracker, schismtracker, is “mute channel#4”.
if we have alt-f1, f2, f3, f5, f6, f7, f8, f9, f10, f11, f12… to mute channels, and alt-f4 to quit… then what is the logic? there’s no logic. this isn’t a windows software, this is a tracker.
i mapped a few quit shortcuts on my osx, such as ctrl-q (similar to screamtracker,schismtracker,impulsetracker). im not asking them to be global or native renoise, as people use ctrl-q for something else. deal with it. make your ultimate keybindings xml and save it on your drive.
Think about F1 opening a new browser window with the .chm Renoise manual .
Let me be the second. I often want, for example, to open a recently loaded or saved file. It’s tedious to have to click on the File menu then navigate to those options.
One of the first things I did was (re)map a shortcut to close Renoise.
I’ve looked to see where I can assign a shortcut for “open recently saved” and “open recently loaded” but cannot find them.
Can someone tell me where to look in the keyboard bindings? Searching on “load” and “open” doesn’t get it for me; searching on “recent” returns nothing.
Is it even possible to assign a shortcut to get the File (or any) menu to drop down and get keyboard focus?
preferences -> keys -> Override window manager shortcuts
…doesn’t this have any kind of significance?
oh, +1 about a shortcut for popping down the menus and giving focus. This could be pretty useful.
Not for the File menu.
It might if there was a keyboard shortcut for a File menu option that collided with a window manager shortcut, but there’s no shortcut for “Open recently saved” anyway.
i understand your handicxap i works with person wit a handicap me i have just a mental handicap(it’s not better i can assure to you i’m schizophrene 