I think the phrases could use some added functionality. I prefer the phrase and sampler view and like looking at sequences one at a time. I agree with your notion that the pattern matrix poses limitations.
For instance, every track is globally locked to a certain lpb. No bueno. Phrases are a good work around in concept but with no visual feedback unless your copying and pasting your phrases into the pattern editor one by one.
If the phrase editor scrolled like the pattern editor (w/scroll on/off binds) and had an OPTION to sync to the Transport. Along with your Pattern Matrix suggestion you’ve got yourself a tracker suited for live performance. Considering the genre of music Renoise is associated with this would be a much appreciated update.
Yeah, I’ve seen trackers used before but Renoise is actually my first tracker and I actually prefer the vertical view now. I think I have every piano roll tool available and even the paid one, and I rarely use them.
What I think would be really cool is if Renoise was open source, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen. But at least allow the tools to add to renoise on a core level. That way audio sequencers, midi import, piano rolls, native synths etc could be taken care of by a community that wants to do it as we speak.
Just take a look at the tool development forum and see what they are asking for. I think those guys’ request should be a priority
FL is great and sucks at the same time no cap. Way too much stuff that is click and mouse required. It can do just about everything though. Just shift through loads of menus lol
But even the light version is too much stuff I don’t want
The appeal of Renoise and the tracker to me is the keyboard centric workflow and immediate access to data.
I feel like programming beats and beat making in traditional software are two different experiences.
To me the main thing of a tracker is the pattern editor and I love that and would never jump ship to something that doesn’t have one, so no I don’t want FL Studio, Live, Cubase or whatever…
FL Studio will never get a tracker editor and Renoise will never get a piano roll and probably not a horizontal arranger either… so whatever
Good point and yeah the Tools feature is absolutely wonderful!
I haven’t tried any of the piano roll tools but good point, I mean if Renoise has a top notch Piano roll then they should advertise it because that’s what so many people want these days.
I definitely agree with you. I would prefer Simple Pianoroll in this case. But many user in this forum are stucked in there mind’s.They think if such thing was added to Renoise, they would lost something! (blablabla…tracker paradigm…bla) I think this is a ridicolous attitude, and i say that as a very conservative human. But so are the things nowadays in the Renoise Community… I dont want discuss further over that pianoroll thematics here, its wasted livetime. I only can take it with irony.
So…live long and prosper! … ähm, i mean…
HAPPY PIANOROLLTRACKING! or maybe better TRACKINGPIANOROLLING?!
Maybe renoise should advertise the non-piano-rolf method as something unique - retro cool, back to basics - something akin to analogue synth and single speed bicycles. Everyone has piano lol, but few have the tracker.
By the way, should’ve mentioned before already, but this feature already exists (in fact in a form very very close to what I have had in mind) in a commercial product: Precyne
I don’t think the product as a whole is fully mature yet at all, but it’s a good example of the Arranger+tracker interface concept existing as a practical implementation. A lot more work could and should still be put into it, but this represents a solid reference and source for inspiration
(There’s a lot more to Precyne as well where Renoise could take inspiration from, especially wrt external hardware workflows and effects in particular, but for the context of the topic let’s just limit the scope to the Arranger parts.)
Cool. Glad to see that there are new tracker projects with new ideas.
It’s hard for an old software like Renoise to change too many existing things that people are used to. Ideas like this IMHO need a new software with probably a new user backend like Precyne.
I’m not saying that Renoise can’t continue to evolve, but substantial changes to existing features in Renoise will probably create more fuzz than be welcomed by existing users. Sometimes you have to start from scratch.
Precyne looks to me even more traditional than Renoise… It is not an Aodix either. Not sure who needs this, if there is Renoise already? Is there anything in Precyne which Renoise can’t do? I really do not understand such new products. Instead going an OO style way, it chose the worst concepts of a Tracker IMHO…
I like the idea of renoise being a tracker before anything.
Aside from my appreciation of the cool aesthetic of the vertical view (when I cook up beats in front of others, it’s always the same reaction when they see renoise in action
The way I see it renoise and trackers in general already look to the average person like something far more advanced than a traditional DAW, and in many ways they are.
Anything added to it automatically feels like an “extension” of the tracker.
Pattern Editor/Vertical View with horizontal arranger as an extra tab is what I say.
I think that would be the best way to advertise to the majority, which are traditional horizontal DAW users. Not saying try to be the next FL studio, but as long as it remains a tab and not something forced on the workflow, it would be a win/win. There are tabs I never go to sometimes.
And aside from being a tracker, renoise’s gui, navigation, and non bloatyness is something EVERYONE who hates bloat, extra menus for basic stuff, etc would appreciate
The crucial question is: Why should a piano roll fanatic, mouse clicking orgy enthusiast and vertical illiterate be interested in switching to a tracker?
Big questionmarks in their eyes and white noise within their heads?
This one could definitely be integrated as native just for the heck of it but native or not…
