(the song starts just after the “END OF INTERNALS” section, and his then divided in 8 bars section of 4 patterns a 8 LPB)
I’m very curious what is everyone’s workflow with Renoise, as the possibilities are endless and I’m sure everyone has a specific workflow, way of organizing things etc..
Would any of you be interested if I created a real topic dedicated to this (that I could start by sharing all my other OCDs).
While I’m very happy with my current one, it’s always inspiring to see how other people do! And I know some people could talk about this for hours lol
No, I have a similar ‘problem’.
When making a song, I suddenly make a pattern that has nothing to do with the song, but uses the same instruments in another way. A new experiment, and it is often the start of a new song.
So what I do when this happens:
I save a verion of the song i started, without the extra patterns. And I save a version with the extra patterns only, as a new song.
Suddenly there is basis for an EP or Album comming out of that song I intented to make.
A Problem, or a gift?
My (so far) 4 parts of my “We are not robots” is born that way.
And the same for my 10 parts of “Terrasse Skruer”, it happened that way. (an 11th part is even comming up)
Many good song ideas appears while doing another. Yes it’s a mess, but when ideas come, dont reject them! They may never return again! Capture it.
Artists don’t organize ideas. If we did, we were not artists. Artists are idea cathcers
that’s why i wrote a “pick up current instrument, save song, and create a new one with the instrument”. i guess i should do one that takes the current pattern contents and jumps all that into a new song
I like it clean all the way, that’s why I don’t use groups at all and why I don’t like colors in the pattern editor. Everything that needs to be organized (fx tracks for parallel processing, sends, the basic devices of the track effect chains etc.) is in my template (LPB is always 16 btw). So I just start a new song, load the instruments that are in my head and simply start editing. Sometimes I start with the beat, somethimes with the melodies, depends on what’s most important in the song. When I need to add another track, I just duplicate a track that contains an instrument of the same kind (meaning sends to the same bus etc., so that I don’t need to do the same basic settings over and over again), rename it, edit the notes of the new instrument and adjust the values of the devices (filters, EQ, compressor, sends, whatever). I also duplicate patterns in the pattern sequencer all the time and change them according to my (buildup) ideas, that’s the fastest and most handy way. I don’t have any stuff “outside the real song”, everything that’s not needed will be deleted right away to keep it clean. I’m also that type of guy who often clicks on “delete unused patterns”, not only to keep the order of pattern numbers in the pattern sequencer. And I never use a pattern twice. Usually I know what kind of sound respectively instrument I want to add, so I mostly don’t need to play around. But in case I’m unsure I browse instruments to check what direction I would like to go for while the pattern that already contains the notes of the next new instrument is playing on loop. This is the only time that it could happen to find something that doesn’t match the current project, but would be great for another one. If this is the case, then I delete everything except that one instrument and save it under another song name. That’s pretty much it.
Depends on the time. If it’s 4/4 (my fav), the length is 256. If it’s 3/4, the length is 192.
And “unused patterns” are patterns that you’ve created but didn’t use. By clicking on “Delete Unused Patterns” you a) make sure that all patterns that aren’t shown in the pattern sequencer (= unused) because you’ve dropped them by clicking on “-” are really gone and b) restores the correct order of pattern numbers shown in the pattern sequencer. For example, you’ve created four patterns 0, 1, 2 and 3 and you insert two new patterns after pattern 1, which results in 0, 1, 4, 5, 2, 3. Clicking on “Delete unused patterns” will rename pattern 4 and 5 into 2 and 3 as well as pattern 2 and 3 into 4 and 5, which results in 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Order restored, mission completed.
OK I see, I never use patterns and pattern numbers, always copying and pasting !
I didn’t use the right term I think, when I talk about patterns I mean track pattern
I think keeping a lot of “material” is pretty normal until everything is finished. I keep “dump tracks” to play around with ideas and collect variations I can draw from. Sometimes I would have many copies of an instrument with a slightly different character and just cycle through them on those “dump tracks” just to see if something interesting comes up. I used to rely completly on plugins, stacking up CPU usage. Now I try to use as much xrni instruments as I figured that is in many cases much more flexible and less tedious to deal with. Unlike some heavy VSTs, there is not much harm to keep them around. The projects look like a hot mess, but whatever.
Kudos to the XenoBaba for the videos on synthesis, which were really an eye opener. I am still making variantions of the “pseudo fm method”. Wild stuff. Thanks to those a lot of plugins have been replaced with renoise instruments and CPU usage dropped a lot.
How can you create anything in a tracker without using patterns? If you copy one pattern, you’re automatically creating another pattern, which logically has got a different number than the first one. There’s no way to work in a tracker without patterns. Patterns are the foundation of a song, and every pattern has got its own number.
The only way to create a song that’s not using multiple patterns that of course have multiple pattern numbers is to create a song out of one single pattern by repeating the same pattern over the whole song over and over again while muting the desired tracks in the pattern matrix.
Yep for sure I use the patterns, just meant I usually just add some, never switch the numbers and stuff.
When I talk about track pattern I meant the notes yep (not a single note, but all the notes in a pattern)
