Any Flat Earth supporters or believers here?

@gentleclockdivider yeah, the problematic bad joke is…topic actually is for real, and it has just begun to take shapes. Societies have now drifted into isolitary individualism and splintered into unconnected weak factions to a degree strong enough to allow many individuals drifting into social free fall and then into such folly. Which starts to attract lots of people who wish to use that potential.

Question is no longer, how to show those people what it is about, and how they are wrong. You will not succeed with it, they are already being conditioned to fight back. Besides, in the internet it is of no use to argue with trolls to influence or deface them, maybe it is still of a little use to try to demonstrate bystanders what they are experiencing, instead of letting the games corrupt them even more than they already are. Real question might become, how to cope with it, and try to survive it somehow. I’m a coward, so I decided to carlessly talk about certain topics, even when I’m uncertain they are real or not. If they are, I will be known and hopefully be killed early in the game when it starts, and don’t have to suffer things that happen after.

I’m from germany, and we know what happens when certain morons take power. Some will always see behind their plans, many people wanted to kill a certain dictator and his inner circles, though most people either blindly followed or could be bought (the industry). Well, lots of us used to know, but then again, it seems to be far enough into history and too many individuals weakened to a degree, to make me fear things will happen again. The conspiracy shit is just a sidenote to blind the weak, real problem are actual followers of chauvinistic and nationalistic ideas. In germany we have many people, who more or less openly show they are fans of the 3rd reich. They used to be odds in society, but are getting more and more influence again. And that in germany, where showing certain symbols etc. is officially banned. In many other countries the corresponding forces are also getting stronger and stronger. Seems like they seek some kind of showdown game, as if humans have become too noumerous again and have to play the lemming game once again. Only this time much much worse as technology has vastly advanced.

You need not walk around the globe to prove something. You need to walk into the ghettos, and into the realms of the stiffs, to understand what is going on. Awareness has to be raised that certain people are left behing, else all democracies will be corrupted by forces blinding them.

Probably not many flat earthers here. The BS superstition of choice among musicians is 432hz.

even if it is not true, it is a good story

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But in modern times, certain people who wish to have mentally dependent servants, enough of them for supporting world domination, seem to have gained the inspiration that such theories are both a) a good filter for finding stupid people who wish to believe you if you tell them they are better than others, and B) seperating those stupid people from information sources that could break the dependance.

Ouch, jetzt reden wirKlartext :)There’s truth to that…

And yes, rational thinking is totally my modus operandi. I’m just not prepared to belittle someone so quickly, just because they think differently (which, for the record @OopsIFly, I don’t think you did)

In my ideal world people should be able to see multiple truths, because we think not only with our brain but also our heart and stomach.

For example: among the people inventing the radio, one guy spent many nights listening to electric wires because_just maybe_you could communicate with / eavesdrop on the “other side”.

Today, we might laugh and think that’s bullshit, but back then, just a 100 years ago, no one really had the experience to tell.

In a way, that’s where the flat-earth stands for me: I really believe that, today, we _do_have that experience. OK, maybe not a 5-year child, or some person who has grown up in a hut in Nu Guinea, but I digress.

So I choose the mainstream consensual reality. Have no qualms about that :slight_smile:

I farted

I farted

Stomach or brain? :wacko:

yes right it is good to live with certain assumptions. the interesting point of topics like the one of this thread is however, that they can show you to question things now and then in between the assumptions. but only if you are not ignorant and try to understand for a little moment what one could feel in that situation.

I must appologise for my extrapolations into the extremes a little though, I just find, that sometimes the extremes can show an idea or a certain vague direction in better ways than trying to have them subtle and then having to point with a magnifier at them. I should stop that anyhow, and maybe try writing poems instead.

Round the world in 80 days comes to mind immediately :slight_smile: The word round gets passed around so well that it’s synonymous with Santa Claus and his reindeer , did anyone see the Earth is round or to be even more specific an oblate sphere? No one really knows what is in the centre of the earth or the bottom of the sea let alone space beyond conjecture. So regarding Antarctica, has anyone crossed it completely, or if not why is so heavily militarized? So many millionaires out there, so why would not someone want to be the first person to cross the Antarctic from end to end, btw this point was raised in one of the documentaries…

Science is limited by both human understanding and current limitations of our technology. We can’t write an algorithm that can separate reverb from a wet sound and yet we humans can do that without even trying,our own minds are a mystery to us. Science just like religion has always been very punitve of contradictory ideas by nature and goes witch hunting on any excuse. I like the idea that science is there for us to appreciate the world given to us not necessarily take it apart block by block. Even Richard Dawkins a die hard skeptic accepts the fact that an intelligent design is the final conclusion that is directed to in his efforts to make sense of this world. It’s like this:music already exists as a system of air vibrations or solid vibrations via a medium that is transferred to our ears and which the human brain processes as music. However no amount of understanding an already designed system will give us the leverage of being it’s original creator. That blueprint even by reverse engineering how music works at surface level is not ours to make or judge. We already know from empirical evidence and modern technology since Edison that air vibrations can be captured and music can be reproduced using a combination of materials and reproduced via electronic mechanisms again already provided by the very same world where music exists. We neither designed the framework nor we know who or what created it or how it all works together. That blueprint or original designer is still a mystery. A music phrase in all its creativity can be broken down analytically to its constituent interval sequences and scale patterns but everyone knows analysis is easy, coming up with the original ideas is not. Hence analysis by definition takes a back seat to original design. So it’s begs to think, if humans cannot create their own sun or moon or earth or design an electromagnetic wave system or create organisms that breath air and use Renoise from scratch, how does his limited piecemeal approach to science take precedence over this humongous and grand design around us? It’s almost height of human hubris in general to think that analysis alone can explain everything. If so then by definition analysing Mona Lisa will make that analyst at par with Leonardo Da Vinci just becos he can successfully deconstruct the painting at its material level of colors and paint material and canvas composition methods. So suppose an intelligent designer designed our world and made us to live in it rather than try to understand the design process but rather learn to appreciate its beauty and grandeur maybe it’s best for humans to realize their folly in the name of this human pursuit called science and go back to behaving like they were originally made rather than some Honda robot prototype with over ambitious goals, becos so far that is how good humans have gone with their robotics and similar antics. What we call progress on the side of technology has been abused by making businesses out of every idea so far and destroying the planetary resource in more than one ways.

I disagree that debating against science makes anyone feel important becos than one could say that science itself is a presumptuous human endeavour of a species addicted to curiosity well aware that their Tower Of Babel will come crashing every single time. Our science so far cannot give me a reverb separation plugin, eradication of poverty by devising sound economic theories that benefit mankind rather than corporation elites, or provide freedom to common man rather than engage them in 24/7 economic slavery, so while I can certainly enjoy the work of Steve Wozniak with his original idea conveyed to the MacBook, that in itself is just a tool and not the holy grail of human issues or achivement. We stopped being humans and become like machines something we are modelling ourselves to be rather how we were modelled to be like by our original creator. And then science comes along the way and instead of enjoying the creativity of the universal symphony we go about analysing the DSP Fourier transforms and try to explain the beauty in terms of our limited mathematics of whatever we can muster with our symbolic pattern analysis diatribes we call differential calculus. And yes we must be proud of our achievements so far becos we come from monkeys after all, great choice of a scapegoat becos it walks like us and has a similar appearance so let’s just go with that instance since the monkey is totally ignoramus of human antics, not that it is surprised by humans monkeying around. I suppose we humans think that we can understand the system around us which none of us as humans ever created ourselves yet claim we have some sort of leverage in assigning values to what we deem should be important. Fallacy at its core.

At this point objectivity is a very abused term, trying to appoint analysis as the new god and providing second hand explanations to everyday phenomena without having the power to create anything from scratch. You only use what is provided to you. Earth is like a spaceship. You cannot barbecue inside if you are out of pork sausage. If resources deplete like it’s going on today it will be the ultimate dead space finale we are all waiting for, except it won’t be entertaining.

Debating about flat earth is like debating whether God exists. Sure we can prove that God exists in more than one ways and how he ‘supossedly’ works in mysterious ways but proving God exists and being a God are two polar opposites. Earth could be flat for all we know, infact everything we know do far comes from calculation and conjecture. Earth is spinning at 16000 miles per second and gravity somehow exists which could also be the case if Earth is accelerating becos gravity and acceleration are synonymous so scientists just layer one abstraction on the next like how we multi sample velocity layers and make patches out of our recordings. This is not an exact science if you ask me, groping in the dark is not an exact science beyond eventually you hit something even it is you bed post and then you bang your head in it for a good jolt to your system. If groping is the new science it should be renamed to ‘groping arts for the curios brain’. And the corruption of science to Scientism which elevates an overambitous and flawed human endeavour to God status telling everyone what to believe just becos you can analysis something in a piecemeal fragmented manner. Great job we humans are doing btw…just incase it did not hit you yet, human by definition is not a God so stop trying to be one. QED.

Btw that privilege escalation attack that science is doing reminds me of what we do in our penetration tests with network systems with privilege escalation attacks like what Meterpreter does in Metaspolit framework which some of you might know if you are into computer security. You use the session tokens from the current running sub system user account principal via hijacking the lsass.exe security subsystem and takes its security tokens to authenticate your code to run in highest privilege level of SYSTEM, this just one of many such methods and then you inject your code into the target process space from there and run your own malicious code masqueradeing as SYSTEM code in Windows. It seems we play God everyday and hacking a system does not make us one btw…even if we like to pretend and write pwned after every hack. So just imagine if this is how the so called ‘theory conmen’ are doing with our perception of things. Marketing does it every single time. Google does it with its user analytics perfecting its predictive analysis mechanism and human profiling. So if they start playing God from tomorrow you will at least know how it’s all done. It’s easy to impress a n00b with process injection on a remote computer and suddenly he sees you are r00t and thinks you are God!lol.

That is why asking such questions is important, becos it aids in your understanding and overall critical thinking without looking like a n00b when the shit actually hits the fan.

How about the sasquatch? Chupacabra? Aswang?

This topic is killing what little brain cells I already have remaining

Yea well to question a dogma (I hope everyone knows what a dogma is right?) in an open debate is not something that can be taken so lightly. Whatever I have written in the previous comment can be easily understood by anyone with a healthy amount of IQ provided he or she does not have dyslexia or cognitive dissonance or an unwillingness to know.

For instance many of you who have never been to India would imagine what it looks like from Bollywood movies and isolated conversations with various travellers but once you come here be prepared to find that no one searches for spirituality becos no one seems to find any and the garbage littered and the ugly women will hit the sense right back till you change your perspective then and there. Seems many of us have tons of things left to experience, regardless of whether we have a high IQ or not.

You could argue why a highly educated physics graduate or mathematician leaves his profession to become a terrorist becos he chooses to go militant inspite of common sense or his training which makes one question his perspective and not his education or qualification or IQ level. A dogma can be a very powerful thing.

About sasquatch and all that, never seen one. Demons yea I have, and they are quite freaky to look at and on many instances are best never to encounter. Perspective changes can come at the most inopportune or unexpected moment.

You know the worst thing I fear about my ciritical thinking, that is to have a closed belief system which by definition is stagnated.

Anything that goes beyond science can safely be disregarded as mumbojumbo. Not because of dogma or claims of what is “true” or not - but because of practical and rational reasons.

Short story: Truth is a religious concept. Science only deals with “what works”. Anything beyond science is pure speculation. Any speculation that cannot be tested is nonsense - or at the very best - “amusing”.

Perfect, so science cannot explain how the human hearing system works so it’s amusing to me that any Black box speculation what I call ‘groping in the dark arts’ is bs because the current ‘level’ of science cannot pinpoint the how it ‘works’ and every thing is empirical data and I suppose any ‘other explanation’ of how things work at the brain processing level is pure nonsense, becos science is ‘yet’ to come up with one. Gimme a break, will you. How can anyone do science without first understanding the philosophy behind it or asking the existential questions ? Or maybe like Stephan Hawking’s you would probably say ‘philisophy is dead’. Yea right, that’s why we should all aim to be robot minds dissecting things with our rather limited and blunt ‘scientific’ methods which btw have a very dark and tarnished reputation and history so far, and stop being human beings.

Some really cool things done in the name of science one which I would possibly encourage anyone to try out of a camaraderie for science is : a lobotomy. It’s scientifically proven to decrease agitated behaviour and make someone docile.

Another scientifically proven method to reduce agitation and loud behaviour is to use Ritalin in high doses. Scientifically proven to control the mind of your test subject. Any takers here?

I really don’t get conspiracy theorists…

Why bother proving that 9/11 was an inside job… when you have an ACTUAL “conspiracy” of fake weapon of mass destruction to make up a purpose to invade a country for no reason…

Why bother proving that earth is flat… when you have ACTUAL conspiracies to make sure we do nothing to prevent global warming that would impede the good ol’ business as usual.

And what about international trade treaties ? These are LITERALLY people plotting in secret to mold the world to their own interests with no regard for the rest of us.

Conspiracy theorists, are you tired of all these skeptics mocking you ? Then pick a conspiracy theory based on solid evidences, there are plenty out there !

You are free to make a guess of “how things work”. But if your guess cannot be tested, it is indeed nonsense.

Without the requirement of falsifiability, there would be no way to reach rational consensus. People would just go around making unfounded claims for various reasons, and most likely, less virtuous values than pragmatism would become dominating.

Exactly so just like so many of the ‘data fitted’ papers published so far and models constructed to prove someone fabrication rather than reality, that due diligence should obviously be never questioned becos any random dude can publish any bs and that is the last word, innit?

I would prefer to question any and everything in a rather peer reviewed manner than practise this mockery of science called blind belief. I am actually totally pro science, just not the way it’s normally passed around…especially in todays times

Like the proof of prime numbers, it’s done by contradiction btw and not at all objective or specific becos science does not have an answer so it assigns a symbol and it’s connected idea of infinity.So what is infinity? I suppose we has an answer for everything. Or rather it just etched some man made glyph to any and all concepts that man can think about whether or not he has the capacity to understand it actually takes a back seat, for instance calling something we don’t really understand God.

What? Possibility of peer reviewing is part of science, yes. Any claims must be reproducible or observable by other parties.

How do flat earthers want to test their theory?

Obviously flat earthers don’t love a glass bubble. That is why. If Stephen Hawking has the audacity to tell people that philosophy is dead that in itself begs question of why something that came way before science ever did needs validation.

How to test it, I have no friggin idea but I am learning more about it since last week. I am a physics and mechanical engg. graduate btw… maybe I could put some ‘science’ to the test.

Also if things do come out truez it puts everything else to the test as well.

in my environment the new god is science
at least, the term objectivity is often used and equated with truth

I think it’s like Philip k Dick
r_eality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away_