I Can'T Do It :'(.

Hey guys, ugh right now I’m so sad.

First of all, I’ve asked questions, I’ve read the manuel, I’ve looked at demo songs, and I’ve fooled around with Renoise. I just can’t do it. I’m seriously so confused with everything, and also have NO clue how to compose a beat. I just can’t think of anything. I’ve been from genre to genre (chiptune, dubstep, D&B, breakbeat, EVERYTHING), and just have no clue or sense on how to use this lovely tracker. It is amazing, but seriously, I can’t do ANYTHING, ANYTHING at all, and have no clue what to do anymore. I’ve messaged users asking them tips and tricks, and still nothing. This is so hard for me, and I just want to start creating tunes, but I have no clue why I can’t and like I said what to do. I’m seriously rattled.

What should I do guys, really, what should I do? :’(.

  • Michael :’(.

Have you tried actually composing some music? :P

Put a kick on every fourth line, a snare on every eighth line. Hihat on every second line, with odd ones being closed and even ones open.

Download my chord helper/scale finder from: http://remixta.net/xrnx/

Try to lay some chord progressions evenly on pattern. Like I V IV V or whatever. Place the notes you got around and try different instruments on them.

Reorganize the beat, experiment.

Making really great music requires more than good software though, it needs skills which only come by practice.

hi there! ^^

writing music is a trial and error process where experimenting is what makes it interesting but also what can make you wanna rage quit hard!

don’t be discouraged! give it a bit of rest and have at it later on! suva’s suggestion is a good one!

keep trying ! start with getting some samples or recording some , which renoise is great at doing ! thats why i love this its an all in one killer app! try this watching this video to start. Good Luck! post a link to your music when you make some!

One of the many reasons I love renoise is because it is a blank canvas, i.e it doesn’t come packaged with 40 GB of someone elses cheesy loops and samples.

That said it’s core functionality is a very powerful sampler / sequencer, so the first thing you will need are some interesting samples to work with and then you can worry about what order to put them in! I’d raid your own / girlfriends / mum & dad’s / housemates music collection and spend a few hours listening to some MP3’s / CD’s that you wouldn’t normally listen to and don’t sound anything like the music you want to make to find some snippets that you can imagine mangling in the context of track.

The other thing to go nuts on is the pattern commands to find out what these do and how they work, so I’d suggest printing off the desktop reference card for ease of use and trying them all out. Load 2 samples, one loop or phrase and one ‘tone’ or synth type sound to play melodically and see which pattern commands work best on each one.

I come from a hardware background so to me renoise is mainly a sampling workstation, I don’t even think of it a tracker really as I had never used one before so don’t let this moniker get in your way. It really is IMHO the best tool for making sample-based / electronic music of any description and if you have a look on the artist page it bears testimony to the diverse musical forms that are possible. If you stick with it and don’t give up due to the unfamiliar sequencer, you’ll never regret it and probably won’t go back to anything else!

PS. If you’re Canadian, Renoise wizardry should be in your DNA - it’s like a rule or somethiing! ;)

@ the OP.

Patience! Keep trying, don’t give up! :)

When I started tracking in 1994, the thing I did really was just to have fun and experiment.

Just like Suva said, lay down some beats, then just add in some FX, distortion, slap on some EQ and mess around - try and see what happens when you do X and don’t try and set big goals for yourself. Don’t try and emulate that ‘professional song’ you like - do your own thing, set no expectations upon yourself and just mess around, do random crazy silly things and above all, HAVE FUN.

Another cool thing to do: Load up some of the tutorial or demo songsand mess around with those, add your own bass line, or kicks, change samples, change FX and go wild ;)

You’ll be tracking in no time if you just remember to:

  1. Relax
  2. Don’t set out with a goal
  3. Mess around randomly

Those were the things that helped me out when I first started using modedit back in '94.

The other thing that’s VERY helpful, is to load up demos/tuts or some from the beat battle compos and look for elements of the song you like, like a clever snare roll, or some sneaky LFO action or retrigger’d beats and see how the composer did it and try do it yourself ;)

DISCLAIMER: I’m typing like a retards today and can’t form proper sentences - this is what happens when you have a job, sleep 3 hours a day because you do so much tracking! :D

@michaeldaleo: your post makes me wonder: what DID you accomplish in Renoise? you mention a couple of genres, say you cannot compose a beat, and you presumably mean in that particular genre. but i’m sure you are able to have a pattern with 64 steps, and place a kickdrum on every 8th line (8,16,24,32,40,48,56), play that shit and hear a 4-to-the-floor kickdrum beat. now, add a 2nd track, pick a snare-sample, and add some snares in places you think sound good. now, add a 3rd track and add some hi-hats. now, think about what else you can possibly add to that beat.
if you got a good beat, try removing some of those kickdrums, and see how that sounds.

this will get you started. it will not make you into a top musician, it’s all about having fun. i’ve been doing this for i think 3-4 years now and am still going to the above process, only with different drumpatterns. start small, start simple. 4-to-the-floor is as simple as it gets.


I started learning 3 d max 2.5 back in 1997 , without a manual/internet …now that was a fuckin challenge
BAck to renoise , take it step by step , learn each part inside out …start with the most important :the pattern editor …learn the effects commands …just practice ,practice ,practice .

Change pattern length to 16 and do a beat with it, you’ll catch on from there

is renoise your first app to try to make music?!
i guess you dont know vst too, right?!

maybe try other apps.
fl studio demo has a good learning curve many tuto- vids and is packed with instruments and effects that are easy to understand.

otherwise check the past BeatBattle/comps results here http://songs.renoise.com/

or even better, if you already bought renoise, try to use the older versions of renoise.
imo, older versions (pre matrix editor) demanding an even more linear workflow.

I seen your twitter id, the pic in your twitter profile makes me think you are a kid?

Here’s the deal, tracking is like skateboarding. You don’t get good at it watching videos and reading books. You get good at it by practicing.

In fact, that’s pretty much anything in life. A lesson you should learn earlier than later.

I don’t want to hurt your feelings but to get good at something it takes years. Not a week.

Keep practicing.

Appleby plaza.

A quote from MadTracker’s Tip of the Day, pretty much sums it all up:
“When sitting down to write a song with no ideas or directions where to go, just place one note of something you like, then another, keep doing it and soon you will have a song.” :)

do you want some simple files to study/listen?

101010 That would be absolutely great man if you could :)!

There’s a great tutorial on making dubstep in renoise. Even though I have no plans in producing dubstep it inspired me to some other things and I learned a thing or two!

It’s amazing what you can come up with if you do this! Good reminder for getting back to basics, and this should be up on the wall for inspiration.

I did watch these actually, except I got stuck on the first video where he says “cut the sample to a tenth of a second” HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU DO THAT!!! HE WON’T TELL ANYONE!!!

Please help!

That video seems to be a tutorial on making a specific beat in a particular style. It’s not a renoise-basics tutorial!

Read the manual, watch the basic videos available on this site; make some basic tracks using the advice in this thread (kick on every 4th line, etc). Just mess about with the software. It’ll sound awful at first, but the more you play the more you will learn. This stuff takes time to learn. Just open renoise, load some drum samples and play. The results don’t matter right now. That will come later when you develop your skills.

within each discipline , exploration is the magic word …EXPLOre the interface, know what the buttons do etc …
A tenth of a second = 1000ms/10= 100 ms ,/above the sample you can click the header to change it so seconds /samples/beats etc

If you right-click with your mouse in the Sample Editor, you can set any of these things that are shown on the little menu ( 09 Effect, Beats, Samples, Minutes ). Seriously, stop panicking! Who cares what you chop and how! You can cut a sample to any amount you like, it’s up to you. Don’t follow instructions like a robot and then use multiple !!!'s and !!!'s and capslock in a fit of panic and then kick yourself for not “getting” it. You’re just making it impossible for you to make any music or have any fun, if you try to follow instructions like a slave and then immediately panic when you don’t understand everything straight up. The Sample Editor is extremely powerful and somewhat complex, but can also be used in a very simple way. One thing I’d recommend you look at is this: Load a sample into the Sample Editor, then select something you like (you can preview your selection with space-bar) and make a copy of it by using “Copy Into New Instrument” by clicking rightmouse button:

What this does is take your selection, which you already like, from the sample in the Sample Editor, and it creates a new slot in the instrument-box, where you can now select the sample and play only that segment of the beat. Once you update to 2.7, you’ll be able to do fancier things like this (this is what a drumloop looks like after you’ve clicked on “detect beats & transients” on it, in Renoise2.7)

Now, one more thing, please change your attitude towards Renoise from considering it a bogeyman that doesn’t do anything you want it to, to instead a friend you haven’t quite understood yet. Your attitude spells pure and total failure.

I absolutely hated Renoise when I tried it in 2004 and completely ignored it up until 2008 when I tried it again. I used to have to get drunk in 2004 to be able to handle how Renoise worked, but in 2008 I got back to it because a load of my friends were recommending it to me, I spent about 2-3 weeks configuring keyshortcuts so that they work the way I want them to, so that my workflow would be roughly 1/20 as fast as with ImpulseTracker, and it paid off big time. I found lots of features that ImpulseTracker/SchismTracker just don’t have (and of course some things that Renoise doesn’t have that IT/ST do, but that’s about 50 postings to the feature request forums – and completely besides the point).

Just get used to how Renoise works and try and look at it in the most neutral way you can.

The point of tutorials is not to talk to you specifically and hold your hand throughout a process which is somehow magically formed+fitted to exactly what you don’t know about Renoise, instead it’s mostly a guy showing what he thinks should be shown.

I think the best goal of tutorials is to show as many things as they can which the tutorial-watcher doesn’t know, in order to kind of make the person watching the tutorial regard the software (in this case, Renoise) from a higher vantage point, a higher level if you like, and to realize that there are a few things that the tutorial-watcher does not yet comprehend, and instead just take the stuff that the watcher can comprehend and benefit from, instead of getting stuck in miniscule details, such as you just did with your “I got stuck on the first video where he says “cut the sample to a tenth of a second” HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU DO THAT!!! HE WON’T TELL ANYONE!!!”

Renoise isn’t your enemy, Renoise is your friend, but you’re regarding it as if it is some enemy which is with-holding information from you. That’s ABSOLUTELY no way to learn a new software. You can learn the quirks and features of Renoise, easily, I have no doubt about that, but not with your current attitude. Focus completely on Renoise’s interface itself and devote at least an hour per day to just looking at it and loading samples into it and getting notes into the Pattern Editor. This is not in any way beyond you.