For many years I am the huge renoise fan. Writing only a few compositions but looking that site for many years. Why? Cause I like it, I like my old fasttracker times, I like a cosy atmosphere of renoise interface and so on.
But…guys. ARE YOU NUTS? Why are you trying to ruin all this things?
Look at your NEWS section. I see some Vogel-Shmogel here with these photo: Interview wat posted on January six 2012!! ONE YEAR AGO! ONE YEAR! OK, you have no money to post
every day, you have no volunteers to post every week, but ONE YEAR? Everybody will think that the program is dead! Even Ableton lose its positions one year ago cause they are lazy in new versions but ONE YEAR WITH NO NEWS at website??? It is real “know-how”
Reorganize your official website immediately. News EVERY WEEK, some cool advices and preaty faces but not just one mad scientist interview )
Why you have so strange demo-compositions with downloadable version? Glitch and gabba and puk-puk-vzzzhhh-vzhhh:) You think it is good for new users? Look at fruityloops demos (for example - Blake Reary songs - Hanging on and Nowhere nere) It is not just commercial hits. It is a huge work with arrangment and melody and with sound possibilities too. Not just - “klank klank yada yada like me at soundcloud”.
Lets choose some good and COMMERCIAL compositions from SUVA remixta, some good remixes, some melodic trance, symphonic, sintipop or pop, some rock stuff. BE DIFFERENT! Not just bitcore at 1200 bpm and sounds of your WC with epic track Maskarade with all versions of Renoise (we all here likes monsinior bagettttte and beatlaugher or something like that but renoise is not just 2 friends company.
Any new person to whow I describe the advantages of Renoise download it and after few seconds think that is is only for industrial psychodelic glitch hardcore music and those guys who programming at fortran and loves to loading spectrum cassette loading but not really compose melodic things.
Hope you see my irony and dont look angry) Happy New Year and bring life to this place or die:)
long story short: Renoise is a small company and most of the non developers members of the staff are working on a voluntary basis. This means that there is little time for website contents creation. Your criticism is of course right and well posed, but in order to fix the problem there should be someone willing and capable of putting some quite big and constant effort into it.
and, to answer to the topic question: no, Renoise is not dying. At all.
Now, to the subject. Have you seen much publicity for MAX MSP? No, because it’s a nerdy thing, it has it’s circle of adherents, and it doesn’t claim to make you “produce BANGERS instantly!”. It is good for things other DAWS are not so good at. Such as, complex, nerdy sh*t. Sometimes weird, sometimes more mainstream, but making complex things rather quickly is what the tool is good for, and I repeat, other tools mostly suck at this.
Plus, Renoise has enough publicity after each new release.
On the one had, good point TS. On the other hand, I’d rather see the developers team working (hard) for a better program than see them waste time and money on information I’m never going to read about some dude somewhere that made something with something else in mind. (like Ableton)
I think this being hip would come at a price too > lots of people (new to music) trying the program, not liking it because it’s so confusing at first glance. After which ofcourse, they will all spam the forums with pianoroll requests.
So I’m still new to the community, but I’m seeing a trollish pattern emerge on these here forums.
Thing #1 – Is this par for the course?
Thing #2 – pertaining to the troll, it dawned on me that … I really do love Renoise and would love to volunteer. Time to go harass someone in the chat!
in the tutorial & demosongs you’ll find 10 demosongs ; you’ve got only 2/10 that could be seen as too cryptic or technical. the rest has some various styles ; Hunz did some good work with “soon soon” ; it’s true that if you start to track for the first time and you try to understand renoise through a song like NIVI by Neurotix, you could be impressed and let renoise to tracking nerds ;
maybe could it be a good idea to add some “level” informations to the help/tutorial/demo contents. for exemple, you’ve got 3 levels : beginner, advanced user, expert ; maybe would it be good define a “level” for each information. and concerning the “demosongs refresh”, I’ve proposed something about an “internal renoise radio”, that downloads and play renoise music by genre, and people could vote for their favourite music, so that there could be some “charts”. But is it a good, or a bad idea ? .
there’s not a so obvious relationship between a site’s activity, and the speed of a software coder ; site activity is correlated to the rythm of new software releases ; you can’t get a new Renoise release everyday… but a coder can code a cool tool while nobody knows it and while there’s no information about it on the internet
when renoise is in the beta phase, the site activity’s higher, it’s logical, because you’ve got tons of reactions and bug reports ; but when the beta-tests are done, and the final version is officially released, the social networking can’t be as high .
renoise doesn’t work like diablo 3 ; it doesn’t require an internet connexion, to work properly ; (that should be featured in the bad ideas thread ) ; it even doesn’t require an active community ; I can use a software even if there’s no activity about it on internet ; even if the dev team decides to stop renoise development ; remember the fate of FT2 ; they decided to stop to improve the code ; and I’ve used FT2 for years and years after that decision ; like hundred thousands of people ; that produced millions of MODS & XM files
you’ll find that this forum is dying ; but renoise will really die when/if nobody uses it anymore
As far as I know Suva has as much access to the blog as I do. If not, he knows how to get an item posted if he wanted to post it.
The reason 1200 bpm bitcore makes in into the blog is because it’s my money from my bank account and my time from my life. I do that contest once a year.
The reason no one else does anything is aptly put by It-Alien:
So in conclusion, I actually agree with you DrumanDabass. I don’t think Mutant Breaks is the best showcase for Renoise. At the same time i’m not going to put in my own time and money for commercial shit I don’t care about.
Seriously if anyone wants something posted in the blog and it’s not a blatant self-promoting fellatio job, is willing to write it for free (or lose their own money on it), then write the article and PM me. It will go through a review process of course, but will most likely get posted.
Renoise is literally run like an anarchist collective. It has a tight nit group at the core (who don’t all see eye to eye) but there really isn’t that much difference between a forum member and a core contributor. KURTZ is a perfect example of this. Hard work is hard.
IMHO the only difference between all of us is those who have access to the C++ code and those who don’t. All the other “barrier” shit is just the best process for releasing Renoise without causing Taktik to rage quit. (barely)
I didn’t like the OP’s tone, but it seems that being a newbie with lots of ideas for this cool and unusual program is a common experience on these forums; I certainly went through that phase, myself… Then, as I made more music, I became more focused on what I can/could do in Renoise, as opposed to its (often theoretical) limits.
Why do people get into that false hype constantly advertised by social media that program is dead when there is no new information and posts about it? Program is good if it suits your needs, and no social media can make it better than it is. I like when program brings something new and fresh that hasn’t been done before, in any way, and I really don’t care what programmers or advertisers say about it. If it works for me,I use it, if it doesn’t, swarms of posts of so called artist won’t make my mind change. Quality is always above quantity in my mind, but in this skewed world of massive production, that somehow slips too easily. Programs of today are not in any way better that programs of days ago, they just look better and are easier to use.
I’m no veteran, or a marketing expert, but I think the OP has some good points. To counter his arguments with “the less time the devs spend developing the software, the worse” is a bit single-minded. Of course none of us have a direct reason to care about the homepage, since we already own and love the software. All we care about are the updates. But consider the fact that what the OP is suggesting can help the software expand its audience, rather than just keep updating. More sales helps the development, unless I’m mistaken.
It’s also very single-minded to say it would be a bad thing if a lot of people tried the software, with the argument of “because it would mean we’d get a lot of people complaining that it’s missing feature X or whatever”. Seriously? That is not a reason to avoid expanding your audience. It never is. The benefit of reaching those who actually DO like the software far outweighs your annoyance at people asking for a piano roll. And plus, more activity on the forum is a good thing. And that’s what the OP is saying. Please don’t shut out a new member’s opinions with the non-argument of “what do you know, you’re new.”
All that said, I don’t think the devs should spend any time that they normally would be spending bugfixing and feature-implementing on posting news updates. The site design itself is not outdated. It doesn’t look like “dying” software unless you actually notice the last post date and take it with more than a grain of salt. Though even as a lover of the software, I’ve wondered why there were so few news updates. I hope some people take up Conner on his offer. There has to be a lot of talent and potential within the existing community to help liven up the site.
Hey if people are bored and have a lot of free time why don’t they pull together and make a Renoise Songs Community? Or something to that effect? A good song hive will sell the program more than anything.
-keep hard working on this great project like now and show off the new “beta version” to this nerd-board.
-keep hard working on this project like now and actually starting making some money/gaining respect with this project.
-stop updating it and letting it die.
OP means very well, but his enthusiasm comes out a a bit from the wrong angle.
I really find it a pity that the board action isn’t showing on the front page like it used to, this at least gives an instant idea of what currently still lives here because the forum is very much alive as is the complete community.
Why are you trying to ruin all this things?
Interview wat posted on January six 2012!! ONE YEAR AGO! ONE YEAR! OK, you have no money to post
Everybody will think that the program is dead! Even Ableton lose its positions one year ago cause they are lazy in new versions but ONE YEAR WITH NO NEWS at website??? It is real “know-how”
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