I understand what you are saying, I understand your intentions, I do not think there is much to argue about, as I think most of what you have said is spot on. However, “I’d like to caution against, the moderation of ideas.” Thus, “I am against, more moderation of the forum.” When threads are, “inappropriate, they get locked, I’ve seen em get locked, thats good enough for me.”
As it stands right now, I do not believe this is a lockable thread. Some ideas are good, some are bad, all should be listened to. Edit = I think we should keep this, “an open Renoise discussion, and be open minded.” Regardless, of what idea we like, or do not like.
Interesting post. But Id like to ask you a simple question: you think it is normal - 3 news at Renoise official website - may 2012, january 2012 and june 2011? As for the forum - close it at all. Nothing changes)
I think there are a lot more positives, than you are giving credit. Obviously we can not have Taylor Swift on the blog. I asked if you knew, somebody good for the blog. You said, “nope.”
Something will happen, be patient… “Somebody with a new game, or a movie, or a music project that is going on tour, or something else.”
In the meantime. The software is not dead. The forum does not need to be closed.
If you would like, “you are more than welcome to, “join our quest,” and translate the manual to Russian.”
Hahahaha totally. That list was a really nice description of how to do everything wrong. “Let’s add derivative instant-gratification features, then we will attract users who will be pissed off at the half-assed workflow design AND make renoise seem like a second rate knockoff.”
Comparing Renoise to DAWS that cost 150 to 300 bucks more is kinda… uhm, some kind of silliness. No offense. I’m sure few people would cotton to seeing Renoise license jump up 100 euros/dollars to cover marketing and hyping. I know you didn’t suggest this, but really it’s the only method to accomplish in a sustained way what you asking for. Obviously 100 bucks is just some random number, but you know what I mean?
I think there is a lot of commercial potential for Renoise as a sampler. Separated from the tracker, if the sampler instrument capabilities where improved somewhat and were script-able, and included the Renoise dsps and some better filters all wrapped up in a plug in (vst) format, I think Renoise would have little trouble becoming a major software sampler. I don’t know how realistic that is, but there is obviously a major void in the market between Kontact and, uhm, what else? I could see this selling more copies than Renoise itself with a slightly higher price tag on it. Especially if the sample content comes around.
But as a DAW? Renoise is already the big dog at what it is, but it’s a piano roll world, and I just don’t think you’re going to break through that wall. Hope I’m wrong, though.
In terms of Renoise, and many things, “the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.” The real trick to the sampling in Renoise, is the requencing… Thus, you need the tracker. You need the, “entire program.”
After 10 years from first release, Renoise still looks alive and well to me.
I don’t really see what all the fuss is about, so there haven’t been any news articles for a year, so what? There probably isn’t much news to report… If I want to see how ‘alive’ a product is I look at the forums and the Renoise forum is buzzing with activity. I seriously doubt that the volume of recent news items will influence potential new users to try it out. Besides that, its a niche product in a niche market, there aren’t that many big name producers using Renoise that you could write about.
Here’s a suggestion, instead of wishing for more news and demo songs why not spend more time trying to write amazing original music, make a name for yourself, create a signature sound and tell everyone you used Renoise to make it. Then we can interview you for a news item and include your songs as bundled demos…
Maybe to you and me and the majority of renoise fanatics, that’s true. You will find a lot of people who are just not interested, though.
Perhaps, it depends. Surely the plug in would respond to midi. Could even have someone whip up some kind of DBlue Glitch style midi controllable/automatable “resequencer” for it.
Anyway, I don’t expect that it would happen nor would I seriously advocate for it. Beyond a post or two in this thread, anyway.
I wait years at a time for some of my favourite artists to release an album with very little word or buzz in between. It’s call ‘patience’ and ‘doing something productive with my time rather than waiting’. Silence can be a statement of maturity, of surety.
If suggested ideas are sinking like a lead baloon then it is up to the suggestor to accept that either 1) their idea isn’t a good one, or 2) their idea is before its time and the will have to be patient about it. There’s that word again: patience.
Letting everyone have their say in certain contexts can destroy purposefulness of the given activity. We’re all too familiar with these situations where someone pipes up with passion and lack of research, preparation and commitment. Here, we have a suitably democratic forum called the Ideas and Suggestions forum where you can put your 2c in. Good ideas get incorporated. ‘General Discussion’ is far too vague for the purpose of the software and community, and obviously homes many threads just like these. Let’s cut it out, and improve our usage of the other forums.
This is not what will really attract the people you would like to attract. For example, when you see the Venetian Snares video on youtube : the job is done, this simple video attracted thousands of users. You just need a BIG NAME, and a computer screen video capture and voilà. Contact BIG NAMES man, example : Skrillex. Ask him if he could record a video of his work with Renoise (assuming that he would like to do it and drop Ableton Live for a few hours), and display it on youtube. That’s all.
But is comparing a product like Renoise to an artist really all that valid? The people we’re talking about in this thread are not you, are not any of us. We already know about the software. Of course WE don’t care about marketing, exposure, blah blah. Why should we?
But are you placing yourself in the shoes of the person who has never heard of Renoise? Just because he has never heard of it doesn’t mean he’s some FL Studio kiddie, wanting to make massive dubstep drops and doesn’t care about spending time to learn complex software. There are people out there, believe it or not, who are just like the ones right here in this thread, but simply have not been exposed to Renoise, or been exposed in the right way. “Patience” has no role in this. We’re not talking about waiting for updates. When people looking for software, they’re going to find the things that are mentioned on other sites, and the more recent the better.
Nobody (well, I’m not) is saying that Renoise should follow the paths of every other DAW out there with their marketing. But you can’t just say “oh we’re so indie and different! The status quo is fine.” That’s really easy to say when you’re a veteran user, rather than the anonymous masses of potential users.
What am I trying to say - Renoise need marketing and promotion cause it is brilliant and it is not so hard as it looks like. I am waiting so long for something at official website and after 6 months wrote this post. Really afraid that good “niche product” start to lose money without any interesting stuff and new names.
KURTS is right but I dont think that “waiting Skrillex” is the only way of telling people who are you. Sometimes I think - maybe Renoise is not for commercial music? Maybe it is impossible to write something different in it cause all these pianoroll things? But again, Hunz was so diiferent, you speak here about Depeche Mode etc so maybe somebody really needs information about this DAW? Not just tutorial (you ask me here about russian tutorial but we have many videos with russian subtitles) but something else?
Tell me - who comes here last year? Maybe you have some contests for newbies?
I’m not saying this is the direction Renoise should take. I’m just saying that this is something that would catch the quick-fixers’ attention.
Another possibility to consider here would be if the Renoise developers actually re-compiled the code into a new standalone product(s). That way Renoise the tracker could still be developed as a niche product, tailored for those who need to distance themselves from the mainstream.
I’d even say that such new software could become an excellent arranger, especially if it loaded multiple .xrns files and treated their contents (patterns, clips, instruments, samples, automations, etc) as objects. This is essentially what I’m saying in my points 1-2 quoted above. The encrypted containers in point 3 would work basically like Reason’s commercial refills do (i.e. you can use them within Reason, but not legally reverse engineer the refills).
Well, the fact that no news has been posted for so long is a shame imo. Even a simple happy new years wish would suffice. Small things like that show a connection with the community, and most importantly - it shows that Renoise is still alive and kicking!
Also I agree that there seems to be a lot of focus on the Glitchcore kind of music. There is a lot of quality music being made in a lot of genres by fellow Renoise users. It just seems like only the Glitchy stuff is highlighted. I’m not saying we must push commercial tracks. A more broadened view on things would be good enough
Anyway, I’m just posting my opinion. I’m not blaming anyone.
