i think a live mode would be awesome - if only to jam with on songs at home…
my suggestion would be a midi assignable wet/dry mix for pattern effects on each track - if that makes sense and crossfader-able tracks (maybe able to do something with multiple sends and outputs already?)
when the arranger screen gets implemented it would be nice to be able to drag patterns from other xrns to build up a set - erm… and improved midi syncage -
usually i export each pattern as a seperate file and bang em into ableton to play around with - would be cool if the arranger screen treated patterns like abletons clips - i suppose elastique efficient timestretching is out of the question!!! tho (unless the patterns are rendered as wavs when sent to the arranger screen?)
i’m thinking for a while how to use renoise for live-gigs…
as linux user, there isn’t even the possibility to use ableton,
and honestly, don’t want to render all pieces of my tracks …
would be nice to be able to combine all patterns+tracks of selected
renoise mods together…
don’t know how to resolve this as intuitive as the other renoise features
but a pool of available tracks and a arranger or so to play the selected tracks together…
(or an overview of all tracks and like now it’s realised with the track scopes,
you can activate/deactivate some of them)
would be awesome to use renoise
also as a live music station…
The way I see it, an arranger is meant for providing overview while composing. I rarely see Live’s arranger view being used for performances, when the session view is so much more useful.
But with Renoise, there’s much more realtime control over the timeline (navigating the pattern sequencer), something we really should take advantage of.
To compare Live and Renoise, imagine that each pattern in Renoise represent a Live “clip”.
Then, something like this would be very close to Ableton Live’s session view, except that it’s still Renoise with a (zoomable) pattern editor:
Even clips with varying/independant lengths should be possible once Renoise supports clips.
really like the idea of using renoise for live gigs,and the idea danoise has really would make renoise much more suitable for live use,and still keep the “tracker elements”
if or when renoise will be suppoting "clips"and "color-codes"something (taake this as an example)abletons session wiew would be sweet,for settting your tracks up for live-gigs
but again i dont know if and how that would be possible to implement in a good way in renoise
this is from the beginners forum in the thread about playing live with renoise
QUOTE(taktik @ Feb 2 2005, 07:47 PM) *
There is a hidden Playlist feature build in. Please tell it noone, its really more a messy ugly workaround than a feature smile.gif
Put a textfile called “PlayList.txt” into your song directory. Assume the original Song folder of the Installation is your Songs folder, then you could fill it with:
To load the next track within the list, you also need to add a stop command somewhere in the songs (“f000”).
Yes, ugly, thats why its not official, but maybe it can nevertheless help someone.
i havent tried this myself yet,but if its still there,then it might would be worth working to make it a “full” feature,and in that way also make renoise more live-use friendly??
is it true that the above mentioned "feature"has been removed from renoise??
if so thats a real shame,as i think it could be used to make renoise more "live-use"friendly with alittle work
hopefully im not the only one that would like that to happen
just personally, i think you have to be very careful which features you implement and which you leave out… one of the best things about Renoise is that you’ve got all the important functionality of a sampler and DAW, but it’s still as streamlined and straight foward to use as any tracker
you could all too easily start adding piano rolls and arrangers, and end up with something quite bloated and convoluted
i think there’s a lot more tools which can be added - like sample manipulation; beat choppers; time stretching; velocity layers; more programmable parameters; an internal synth - but i think the sequencer core itself needs much more careful consideration, because after all, you’ve already got plenty of software like Live and Fruity Loops, and people using trackers are usually using them to get away from all of that
i just think that the above-mentioned feature already is in renoise in some form or another,that it would be worth it to make it a "full"feature so renoise would become more live-use friendly
that wouldnt take something away from it,it would only be beneficial for alot of users
What about using ReWire or something similar, to interface with another program that’s more designed for performance? I don’t know the ReWire protocol very well, so I don’t know if it’s any good. Also, I’m sure there has to be a licensing cost.
Another idea that would enhance performance usage is if Renoise could utilize OSC (seeing how MIDI has the capacity of any 20-something year old system).
well, the problem i see with clips and arrangers right from the start is that tracker programming is, by its very nature, much more flexible than that… for example, you can start a tune on an upbeat, or leave notes hanging between patterns, have a pad come in a quarter note before the first beat in a loop, add extra beats anywhere you want and change time signitures without having to rearrange anything - this is why people use trackers - and while all of that’s possible with Fruity Loops and Cubase, it’s often awkward, and it forces people to think rigidly within blocks and arrange tracks visually, (i.e. Cubase syndrome,) to make life easy
i can’t see how you could resolve the two
tbh, if i was going to make a performance version of Renoise, i’d probably keep it as a separate player app, and mix a tracker player with something like Serato… so you could cue up tracks, crossfade, etc. and also have access to individual track mutes… throw in custom support for Novation’s Nocturn h/w controller… you could also add light synths and visualizers… you could add those kinds of features to Renoise itself, but, would you need the two combined? would it be worth adding to the start-up time?
Well, guess what, I’ve switched to Linux finally, thanks to Renoise!
And yes, I’d very much appreciate some live control. VERY much appreciate.
But seriously, with Renoise you could make a much easier and humane version than that awkward beast of ableton.
Basically what I need for live usage is a tool that captures predefined keystrokes to jump to specific sequence position (quantized, of course).
For this I’d also need to be able to loop several sequence parts independently.
Suppose I play bass to a Renoise track.
Suppose there’s a small slide-window near pattern sequencer, called “live ctrl”, which catches my keystrokes.
I start an intro and play some bass to it (while the intro patterns are running looped).
Then I suddenly feel like it’s time to move on, and quickly press a key (from my personal predefined set) and the song jumps to a certain pattern (a bridge, perhaps), and then enters the second looped sequence.
(i called it a ‘bridge’ because it’s supposed to come before the looped sequence and not be part of it.)
You know, I could just link you back to buzzmachines, for some “Live mode” answer, but I won’t do so because of ultimate respect to the power of Renoise and its community. And I stopped using buzz now anyway, because of the beautiful pair that Linux and Renoise make.
But just for you personally, Lunat (select text to read it): ableton is just a fancy lookin trendy awkward toy, if compared to buzz tracker functionality in terms of live control and overall music creation workflow. Even with those scripts enabled, you know. So don’t talk to me about ableton, puhlease. Thank you very much.
Anyway, Renoise rocks totally, even without live mode. And I’ve played a test gig with it just as well as I did with buzz.
Though when I tried using ableton, it just never made me feel like going live, you know… Strange but so. Experimenting - yes, beatmatching - yes, but going live… no. It’s too simplistic where it needs more detail and functionality, and too sophisticated where it needs be more easy.
Result - a very well written but awkward piece of software. Way too awkward.
Oh, and it has no patterns. How can you work with a program where you can’t type your music?
to use renoise
